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A lot of people I know say it does, and I've heard it does a lot. But I've actually never noticed it myself. and I always thought of it as a myth, because it really doesn't make sense to me. No matter the method of smoking, shouldn't I be getting THC no matter what? Maybe different ways could be more or less efficient, but I don't see how this would actually alter the high, other than making me more or less high. Anyone care to tell me weather the device/method of smoking actually does change the high, and how? If so anyone care to describe the differences with different methods?
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Well, i like water bongs over joints or blunts or even dry pipes. It dosen't really give you a different high, but smoking from water bong will get you higher than a joint. Basically your just absorbing more of the THC from a certain amount of weed, because your joint is steady burning, smokeing out the sky, and when you inhale through a joing it is somewhat filtered through the rest of the weed in the joint. You can take 1/3 of the weed you would put in a (Average)joint and smoke it in a water bong and get 2 times as high as you would have off the joint. A glass water bong is actually better than inhaling the paper also, though i don't know how bad rolling paper is for your lungs, but weed is not that great for your lungs either. The best method would be a vaporizing bong, smokeless bong. It simply evaporates the THC out of the weed, the safest method of all. This method does produce a different high because you get nothing but THC, and there are more chemicals in weed than THC. They say that shit floats, but mine sinks....why?? I guess i'm just into some heavy shit!
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Yes, if you get a quality vaporizer. Set the temp to about 370 +/- a few degrees..you are vaporizing THC wheras leaving behind the other chemicals included in the marijuana "high". And also you are getting virtualy no carcinogens. Theres virtually no "drag down" vs. what comes with just traditional smoking marijuana. The high takes getting used to for some that are so used to traditional smoking. You exhale a bit of clear/whitish vapor and theres no cough. The high comes on very suttle. And builds in intensity over a slightly longer period of time vs. just full out blaze mode with instant effects. The effects of proper vaporization are: very clear high, very stimulated, much more of an energetic feeling, virtually no comedown. I seem to favor my vape. Best investment i have ever made in the marijuana arena! Some poeple think its odd to always smoke out of a vaporizer seeing as to how a really good vaporizer ins't too portable and takes a little time to heat up. But honestly...whats the rush!? lol. All in all man it comes down to how much you favor your health and overall well being. It's definitely a very good investment if your an avid marijuana smoker such as myself lol.
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Quote:but smoking from water bong will get you higher than a joint. The THC to tar ratio of a joint is better than a water bong because of the water solubility of THC. There was a study done on the THC to tar ratios of all the different smoking methods. I forget where I saw it but a vaporizer and unfiltered joint actually rated best. Quote:The best method would be a vaporizing bong, smokeless bong. It simply evaporates the THC out of the weed, the safest method of all. This method does produce a different high because you get nothing but THC You get more than just THC with a vaporizer.. you get the other cannabinoids. Just depends if the temperature set on the vaporizer is high enough.
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I get burned out/tired when I vape just as I do when I smoke..I dont find it that different at all other than the fact that vaping saves my lungs. Long live the unwoke.
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After getting used to my vaporizer it's the only way I ever wanna smoke
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fractal enchantment wrote:I get burned out/tired when I vape just as I do when I smoke..I dont find it that different at all other than the fact that vaping saves my lungs. Maybe I should of rephrased a bit. Most of the time when I vape I then go out to do something. Such as driving to the store, or out to the park by my house. It helps alot when vaping or even smoking for that matter. But idk, when i vape and set it at 370 and with that your only getting the THC. The other canabanoids/etc burn at a higher temp than THC. It just much easier I guess for when I am coming down from the high vs. toking on a bong or pipe. Also the high is much much different. The other chem's you get when its combusted seem to add more of that "out there spaced out" high. Vaping just THC seems just much more clear headed and energetic to me. Vapeee FTW
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DMTtripn2Space wrote:Also the high is much much different. The other chem's you get when its combusted seem to add more of that "out there spaced out" high. Vaping just THC seems just much more clear headed and energetic to me. Its also about having the right Strain of Cannabis - there are big differences between pure indica and pure sativa weed. How i would love to vape some Haze atm .... Had he more quickly realized just who they were,he would have shown them more respect.Had he tried harder to fathom their brilliant minds,he would have taken more of their teachings to heart.Had he more clearly understood the purpose of their being, he would have more vigorously tried to assist them.They were truly honorable; he was sadly prejudiced. They were exceedingly well informed; he was grossly ignorant.They were totally indefatigable; he so often, and so quickly,gave up. Still, for many years there was a strong inter-species alliance between the Eleven-Eleven of the Half-way Realm, their Seraphic Associates,and their flesh-and-blood friend, a common mortal. Much was accomplished, many profited, and, there’s only one regret...They could have achieved so much more... All Hypnotizing Hypnotizes Hypnotizing
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as has been said, set the vap to a certain temp (200C). CBDs boil at higher temps, and give other effects "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah "Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
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When using a bong, the contrast from 'here' to 'out there' will be stronger. It will hit you. Bong. When combining with tobacco the high will be slightly different. More of a buzz instead of a high. There is also a difference between smoking weed and hash. Weed is stronger, more sedating and more hazy. I rarely smoke weed because of this. the mindfuck can be too disturbing. Btw I am talking about potent top quality weed and hash. Not the shit we export (weed) and import (hash) allot. “The most important thing in illness is never to lose heart.” -Nikolai Lenin
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PsilocybeChild wrote:Quote:but smoking from water bong will get you higher than a joint. The THC to tar ratio of a joint is better than a water bong because of the water solubility of THC. There was a study done on the THC to tar ratios of all the different smoking methods. I forget where I saw it but a vaporizer and unfiltered joint actually rated best. I was just baseing it on personal experience, i can smoke a big fat blunt and get less high than one bowl in a water bong. And THC is not really that soluble in water, i don't think that would effect it to much, maybe trace amounts, but very small. Also the water helps filter out bad stuff, thats why it turns brown. If you evaporate the water whats left dosen't really compair to MJ(I've tried it). They say that shit floats, but mine sinks....why?? I guess i'm just into some heavy shit!
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Smoking bong gives stronger effects and is more addictive . I wouldnt really recommend it. I would love to try a volcano vaporizer , even more, now that i know this . Had he more quickly realized just who they were,he would have shown them more respect.Had he tried harder to fathom their brilliant minds,he would have taken more of their teachings to heart.Had he more clearly understood the purpose of their being, he would have more vigorously tried to assist them.They were truly honorable; he was sadly prejudiced. They were exceedingly well informed; he was grossly ignorant.They were totally indefatigable; he so often, and so quickly,gave up. Still, for many years there was a strong inter-species alliance between the Eleven-Eleven of the Half-way Realm, their Seraphic Associates,and their flesh-and-blood friend, a common mortal. Much was accomplished, many profited, and, there’s only one regret...They could have achieved so much more... All Hypnotizing Hypnotizes Hypnotizing
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Observant wrote:Smoking bong gives stronger effects and is more addictive . I wouldnt really recommend it.
I would love to try a volcano vaporizer , even more, now that i know this . Stronger effects yea, and no doubt, as said, vaporizer is the best/safest method. But does stronger effects really = more addictive? I wouldn't think so. Is stronger blast off with DMT more addictive than weaker ones. This is mainly habbit forming addiction, not chemmically driven. They say that shit floats, but mine sinks....why?? I guess i'm just into some heavy shit!
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Well , its just what i observed . Of course its not that easy , more effects = more addiction . a bong can be fine too . If you smoke bong for too long you might not get decent effects from pipes and joints anymore , i think bong smoke is very hard on the lungs , even more if its a very dirty bong. Most people who are unhappy with their lifes because of their constant mary jane habit live in symbiosis with their dealers, very brown tobacco-mix and a water bong . (It has also todo with the Nicotine Injection like effects/the increase of Nicotine Effects because of THC) Those individuals most often state that their cannabis consumption got out of hand when theive got their first own bong . The habit of loading a bong is also easier to maintain then rolling joints- cleaning the bong may be not - but loading a head is even possible in the most retarded state of mind DMT isn't addictive if you ask me . Anyways "Smoke your ganja raw " Had he more quickly realized just who they were,he would have shown them more respect.Had he tried harder to fathom their brilliant minds,he would have taken more of their teachings to heart.Had he more clearly understood the purpose of their being, he would have more vigorously tried to assist them.They were truly honorable; he was sadly prejudiced. They were exceedingly well informed; he was grossly ignorant.They were totally indefatigable; he so often, and so quickly,gave up. Still, for many years there was a strong inter-species alliance between the Eleven-Eleven of the Half-way Realm, their Seraphic Associates,and their flesh-and-blood friend, a common mortal. Much was accomplished, many profited, and, there’s only one regret...They could have achieved so much more... All Hypnotizing Hypnotizes Hypnotizing
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To the OP IMHO its more due to the type of weed you smoke i.e Indica or Sativa, than the method of smoking. Sativa's give a more UP high and the Indica's are generally more stoney...this also depends when the plant is harvested. Harvest late and the weed could be more stoney than the same plant harvested on time or early. Most growers like myself will check the crystal heads with a low mag scope to see what colour the resin is. Unfortunately most street weed is Indica as these usually have shorter flowering times. I like to have a selection of both..one for daytime toking and one for late into the night...my fav smoke at the mo is the Kali Mist. Oh and i've not noticed the difference between smoking the same strain via a spliff or vaped up...but thats me! Peace and hope this helps!! acolon_5 wrote:Welcome to club hypersex.
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I hate this thread.
THC is not water soluble. Combusting the herbs will get you the same high given the same amount, smoked to the same efficiency (not letting a joint/bowl waste smoke)
Vapes produce different highs because you are attempting to only vaporize the THC, leaving behind CBD,etc "When one considers that there are at least 60 pharmacologically-active compounds in cannabis and that the aromatic terpenoids begin to vaporize at 126°C, but the more bio-active cannabidiol (CBD), Cannabinol (CBN), and delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) do not vaporize until near their respective flash points: CBD 206.3°C,[6] CBN 212.7°C,[7] THC 149.3°C[8] then it becomes apparent that the only way to get a full spectrum vapor inhalation is to extract and deliver rapidly from a small sample at a time."
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Quote:Contrary to popular impression, waterpipes don't necessarily protect smokers from harmful tars in marijuana smoke, according to a new study sponsored by MAPS and California NORML (National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws). The reason is that waterpipes filter out more psychoactive THC than they do other tars, thereby requiring users to smoke more to reach their desired effect. The study does not rule out the possibility that waterpipes could have other benefits, such as filtering out gases, but it suggests that other methods, such as the use of high potency marijuana, vaporizers, or oral ingestion are needed to avoid harmful toxins in marijuana smoke. http://www.ukcia.org/research/pipes.htmHad he more quickly realized just who they were,he would have shown them more respect.Had he tried harder to fathom their brilliant minds,he would have taken more of their teachings to heart.Had he more clearly understood the purpose of their being, he would have more vigorously tried to assist them.They were truly honorable; he was sadly prejudiced. They were exceedingly well informed; he was grossly ignorant.They were totally indefatigable; he so often, and so quickly,gave up. Still, for many years there was a strong inter-species alliance between the Eleven-Eleven of the Half-way Realm, their Seraphic Associates,and their flesh-and-blood friend, a common mortal. Much was accomplished, many profited, and, there’s only one regret...They could have achieved so much more... All Hypnotizing Hypnotizes Hypnotizing
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Quote:I hate this thread.
THC is not water soluble. Sorry if I'm tap dancing down jackass alley but my belief is that THC is slightly soluble in water. so if one were to say pass it through cold water, in a water pipe with ice in the water as pretty much everyone does, it will only absorb a very very minimal amount. Is this wrong?
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Well different strains of weed can produce surprisingly different highs from another as we know, but in my experience I have found that there is a difference in high, subtle but tangible, between different smoking methods.
I really love vaporising...I find it clearer headed, less foggy and a bit more 'uppy' than smoking in other ways...also if one smokes a lot with this method, providing one doesn't do it often, you can enter some quite deep and visionary states with this.
Bongs hit you hard, and for less time...think they can be a bit moreish for some...can be intense.
Pipe smoking is nice, personally I find I get more of a body high this way for some reason than when smoking ganja in joints.
However, I do like the tribal ritual or rolling and sharing a joint of good 'erb with friends...quite a rare and special treat for me these days, and the cannabis does synergise in an interesting way with tobacco...also a bit more of a gradual onset smoking in this fashion.
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benzyme wrote:as has been said, set the vap to a certain temp (200C). CBDs boil at higher temps, and give other effects Yes the cbds flash points are in the 206-203C range. And THC if im correct goes around 150C. And yes different strains can produce slightly different effects. I have smoked several types of mids and several types of skunk in my vape, and by getting just the THC and not the other few bio active compound it doesnt really seem to matter much to me whether its mids or skunk..the THC high is very similar all around...but everyone is different so that is just my ideas/opinions. I love talking about marijuana. Very cool thread.
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