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Okay, I know a lot of threads were created already. But I had several experiences with this substance and the last one excited me so much I want to share my thoughts about it. And I don't want them to get lost. First of all - nutmeg is not equal to inhaling glue or drinking gazoline. It's very euphoric and mentally deep substance, even though it's not safe. But it is worth trying at least once in reasonable dosage.Now about effects: people compare it to DPH, someone compares it to MDMA, someone to mescaline... I want to question them all: have you ever tried weed? And have you ever smoked weed so much you fell in that wierd pseudohallucinatoric state? This is it - personally for me nutmeg feels like long lasting, wierd and trippy version of weed. There were so many speculations about myristicin and elemicin converting to MMDA and TMA, no one ever mentioned it is FAAH and MAGL inhibitor. Basically it inhibits enzymes which are destroying your endocannabinoids. Next will by my personal experience, but other people who consumed nutmeg confirmed they felt similar things. TL;DR ALERT So my first several trips were with low dosages like 5, 7, 10 gramms pre-grounded or 1-2 whole nutmegs. Potency of nutmeg can variate, epsecially of pre-grounded. Overall at low dosages it gave me... Euphoria. It gave me strong pleasant body euphoria, combined with feeling of warmness and huge increase of tactile feelings. And this is something special for nutmeg. But It didn't alter my mind enough to impress me. But recently I had experiences with 2 and 3.5 whole nutmegs. They were big and were very good quality so now I want to tell how full-blown nutmeg trip feels like for me. I starting to get first effects in about an hour. They are weak, but definatly not placebo, I may get some euphoria which soon settles. After it settled, both time I had like calm before the storm - almost no feeling except strange warmness and relaxation. And then suddenly it hits for real. Both times it was very suddenly. For example I stared into screen and felt like falling somwhere. Then it repeats again and again. Then I got very strong stroboscope effect which reminded me cannabis but was way more crazier. Then feeling of lightness hitted me - I felt almost like my body was glowing with some inner light and I'm not walking but flying. Literally high. Body sensations were fresh and reminded guess what - sativa like high. Of course I also got this feeling of being far away from reality, being somewhere deep under water. Visual distortions even at peak were not something special. I got visual noise on surfaces and edges. With opened eyes I got cannabis-like pseudphallucintations when those dreamy images blink for a split of second. Sound distortions were insane though. Music literally played inside my head and I physically felt it. Voices didn't sound much different, but ambient sounds were insane. Sounds of cars, people talking far away, wind blowing and all possible ambient sounds merged, separated, pulsated, distorted in all possible ways and often created music. I heard rhytm and melody in random ambient sounds mereged together and could listen it like a music. Which... Reminded me cannabis but it never were so strong. Now the sweetest part of nutmeg. When I first closed my eyes at the peak of the effect I felt I'm not in my room, that I'm somewhere around the mountains. A huuuge opened space, so detailed. Then I turned on music, lay down on the sofa and closed my eyes, and I started to fall down down deep in my mental visions. I remember how tempo slowed down, and distortion guitars were changed by acoustic. I felt that my sofa is a boat that is floating on the river with no shores. There was only water and soft milky-white light on both sides. It were NOT TRUE HALLUCINATIONS, more like a dream, with fully immersion. I was totaly convinced my body is not on the sofa, but on the boat. And if I'll open my eyes, I won't see my room. And even though it was my imagination it was so detailed, and I was so dissociated from real world I didn't actually care what I saw with my real eyes. That was strange for me. Too much cannabis gave me pseudohallucinations, but they were just 2D "cartoons", no immersion, no landscapes, not so detailed. Both opened-eyes and closed eyes. Every time I closed eyes on nutmeg it was like a journey into a dream world. Unfortunately, I couldn't lay on the sofa for all duration of the trip and I understand why someone find nutmeg unplesant. Euphoria was already gone, stroboscope effect was even stronger, sounds were crazy, short-term memory was off, every second was like reality itself bending and flipping. I was tired, wanted just sit, close my eyes and make everything disappear, but I had to communicate with people and ugh... Walk. So that's it. Nutmeg is interesting, euphoric, deep, and I didn't feel much side effects everybody warns you about. Few times I got bad feelings in stomach (not for long), my mouth was dry and heart beated fast. No hangover or any noticeable negative post-effects. I can feel way worse on and after alcohol - just to give you a comparison. Give it a try, don't overdose, don't abuse it. Overdosing of anything is bad, and abusing anything is bad. Abusing cannabis is bad and overdosing cannabis can also feel like... Well... Bad. (no bad words here, right?  ) As for me, I am preparing for another trip. But I want perfect set'n'setting to see how deep can I go.
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Thanks for sharing this!!! Very interesting. A lot of what you describe reminds me of Iboga. The closing of eyes and feeling as if in a large space, the enhanced auditory stimuli, and also the nausea and sedation that most other people describe (and that I have felt). I still don't really get along with nutmeg, personally, probably for physical reasons more than anything. But it is a plant worthy of attention, for sure. From the unspoken
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Memelord, Your experience/s closely align with those that I had five or so years ago . Would usually consume anywhere from iirc 25-45g of nutmeg that was freshly ground from whole 'nuts' . The problem, I and most of those whom tried faced, was the difficulty of consuming such a large amount . Smoothies Ice-cream Cakes Honey Can't really remember if anything successfully masked the taste , some people couldn't keep it down full stop. The effects were to me, similar-ish to that plateau that one may reach within the haze of a THC 'session' . They lingered well into the next evening . I don't recall any major side effects . I do know of people who have done 'extreme' things whilst under the influence of nutmeg though. "My religion is not deceiving myself"
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Thank you for answering. Nutmeg is known for being cheap, easily accessible and mostly consumed by teenagers who can't get real drugs. But it's not bad! Speaking about ways of consuming, I see two options. Hardcore bois just chew it and wash down with water. Less stressful and easy way - just make hot coffee, pour out powdered nutmeg there, stir and drink fast while powder is still floating. It may smell or look threateningly but when you drink it, you'll mostly feel how it slightly burns your mouth and it's metallic flavor. RhythmSpring wrote:Thanks for sharing this!!! Very interesting. A lot of what you describe reminds me of Iboga. The closing of eyes and feeling as if in a large space, the enhanced auditory stimuli, and also the nausea and sedation that most other people describe (and that I have felt).
I still don't really get along with nutmeg, personally, probably for physical reasons more than anything. But it is a plant worthy of attention, for sure. I didn't feel nausea, I actually felt how it burns my stomach. Well, yeah, it's not healty for your gastrointestinal tract. Spices are not ment to be eaten in that amounts (yet we still manage to xD). Essential oil must reduce side effects at least on GIT. Yes! Large opened spaces like landscapes were common places I got. Or some surreal empty spaces. Like you standing in the center town square which is expanded to the horizon and there is no single human. Can't say my body was relaxed, can't anything about what my body felt, because perception of my own body went crazy. It was somehow numb, sometimes it dissolved, sometimes I felt like a statue made of stone.
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I have only limited experience with nutmeg, but within my group of friends, we almost always mixed powdered nutmeg with small amount of white wine, like one glass of it. I would say this not only help with taste, but also with the absorption.
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pseudofakee wrote: The problem, I and most of those whom tried faced, was the difficulty of consuming such a large amount An effective way around this is to produce a concentrated tincture by soaking your freshly-ground, high quality nutmeg in 80% ethanol. This is something I've a considerable amount of experience with, albeit at the lower end of the dosage range. This was in order to work with the antidepressant, euphoriant and tactile effects of nutmeg. I'm yet to try a higher, hallucinogenic dose of nutmeg as the potential for toxicity is not to my liking, nor do I have time available to be effectively non-functional for what potentially could be three days. MemeLord, that link is very interesting - thanks for posting. I've found nutmeg at the low doses I've worked with to be very effective at enhancing the effects of mescaline, psilocybin or cannabis. This may be connected with the FAAH-inhibiting activity; nutmeg is a rich source of bioactive compounds, however, so it's likely the action is dependant on numerous synergistic factors. As a footnote, I've found that mace tincture works equally well and is also active transdermally - and by this route it's both surprisingly pleasant and surprisingly effective. Also, check out the various "Space Paste" threads. This may well be of interest to you; a tincture produced using the relevant ingredients is a rather special medicine too. “There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work." ― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
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So how exactly felt those visions of other places. First when you close eyes and relax you like drowning, then it's almost like you forget where you are, you are at "nowhere" place, but soon fantasy will draw you all those landcapes, rivers, dungeons. Once I fell into a dwemer dungeon from TES games. And the more you focus on them the less you care about real sensory information. Though sometimes you just see 2D cartoons where you imagination goes crazy. Hands up if there are some crazy people who overdosed on cannabis (especially edibles) so much they almost blacked out. What did you feel?
IMHO, the best way is just to buy essential oil. On Ukraine nutmeg oil can cost from 1 to 3 dollars for 5ml. Elemi oil even cheaper. I also wonder how good allylbenzenes soluble in fats. Maybe it's better to make oil extract from nutmeg similar to cannabutter?
I read links shortly and looks like only nutmeg and elemi are truly psychoactive. (Also essential oil of parsley) Because on one side you get "I got slight euphoria/stumilation/sedation/interesting thoughts/nausea/vomiting" and on the other side you get trip reports "Omg, reailty was bending and twisting, sounds merging, strongly reminds cannabis".
Difference between elemi and nutmeg is interesting. I believe in synergistic effect between myristicin, elemicin, and other compounds because I can't describe nutmeg effect just as "yeah it's just like weed". The core of it very cannabis-like but 40% of trip is different. And some it's effects like mental strobe or sound morphs exaggerated.
What is annoying that I need at least 8 hours no one bothering me at all for a good trip. Trust me, you dont want all those walking, talking, noisy and fussy people around you when you try to totaly forget this world exists. Also combination with calssic 5-HT psychedelics must be interesting because true hallucinations they cause and those dreamy landscape images combined together can create something interesting. Unfortunately it turned I suck at growing shrooms and I'm not sure I'll harvest anyting at all from my first try.
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Quote:I also wonder how good allylbenzenes soluble in fats. Maybe it's better to make oil extract from nutmeg similar to cannabutter? Yes they are soluble. There's a thread on nutmeg-infused olive oil - which also works transdermally. “There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work." ― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
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I was wondering if eugenol is actually active. And if it is - how exactly it's active. So I took 20 drops of cinnamon essential oil on piece of bread and swallowed it.
Okay, it IS active for sure. Effect started at 30 minutes, peaked at around 45 and strongly reminds me body-euphoric part of nutmeg trip. No mind alteration, no cannabis-like effect or tactile enhancements. Only mild sedation and heavy body-euphoric feelings. I just feel well... My chest, my arms, my legs. After hour body sensations are not so heavy but still present and combined with some feeling of freshness. They also get stronger if you slowly move you arm, leg or you body for example. I also often stare into screen or wall without any thoughts. I have annoying SSRI withdrawal and I don't care about it now even though I can get few brain zaps.
Edit: I feel some weak nausea
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As a teenager i experimentedn with nutmeg. I also experienced cannabis-like effects from it. I don't remember exactly how much i ingested in grams, but one very peculiar thing was, that i could sometimes feel these cannabis-like effects, even the day after i took it. It wasn't a constant 24 hours long cannabis high, it rather came in waves. So i would feel almost sober the next day, and then all of a sudden i started feeling baked again. It also made me feel slightly light-headed in a way not typical of cannabis. More in the way alcohol feels, but milder.
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It appears to me that foodstuffs with significant amounts of carotenoids rekindle the effects of nutmeg. Sometimes this is better than the first time around. I found this out when trippy effects suddenly set in after eating a fried egg butty with tomato ketchup the day after using nutmeg tincture. dragonrider - did you notice if these waves of effects were associated with eating food? “There is a way of manipulating matter and energy so as to produce what modern scientists call 'a field of force'. The field acts on the observer and puts him in a privileged position vis-à-vis the universe. From this position he has access to the realities which are ordinarily hidden from us by time and space, matter and energy. This is what we call the Great Work." ― Jacques Bergier, quoting Fulcanelli
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I managed to do nutmeg again. Dose the same 3.5 whole nutmegs, this time I tripped in my room with headphones. Previous trip was 11th January. This wasn't as intense maybe because of food I took before, maybe because of calm atmoshpere or because I started to get sleepy. 18:46 finished all nutmegs From this time to "I think I'm high" passed around one hour and a half. I started to laugh a lot and sometimes from things I shouldn't laugh. 21:46 first noticeable stroboscope effect. 22:00 stroboscope effect gone, I feel crystal clear, almost enlightened. This enlightment went with me through the whole trip. 22:07 I almost physically feel I'm flying. Everything is quiet and clear. 22:20 Was watching screensavers they were kinda 3D and I physically can fell the camera movement. 23:52 Did a lot of stuff. Watching screensavers, Watain concert, The Vanishing Of Ethan carter gameplay, listened a lot of different music. No sound distortions yet, but music sounded very emotional and gave some unstable visions. Feeling of immersion, emotional involvement is incredibly strong. Sometimes I fell rushes of euphoria and understand that it's music creates it. 00:02 I feel I'm slowly getting sober. Focusing on something makes entire other world disappear. Sometimes visions are getting strong and stable. When I'm walking, doing regular things and talking to people makes me feel just moderatly high but head is clear. 01:08 Looks like I'm getting sober. Gonna go and eat. 01:31 In my notes for this time there is only one Russian bad word repeated several times. 02:07 Some other Russian bad words. Okay now I better to explain. Trip is bursted in it's intesity by all means. Short term memory always off, stroboscope effect is strong, pseudohallucintaions kicked in, sounds started to morph. I didn't have to make any effort to close eyes and see stable visions and when I move my head I look around. Everything looks grey, it was epmty postapocalyptic landsape. Ruined houses, destroyed roads, no sign of human. So calm and quiet. If I close eyes I dissolve instantly, dreams and immersion incredibly strong. My body so heavy at this point. Visions of being on the grass. Watching screensavers makes me super excited. 03:05 Reality very distorted, also getting a bit sleepy. Feeling of importance and epicness of everything. Like a dream. 03:13 "Music is crystal clear and resonating with my mind https://www.youtube.com/...73B52&index=10"Somwhere between 03:39 and 4:06 Soundtracks to Mask of the Betrayer are fantastic. I dissolved, literally split into atoms, a lot of blurry images and places that don't even matter. (at least I don't remember them) I feel happy and content because fantasy is real. 04:06-04:43 I'm getting sleepy. Right now I don't remember much about this time period. Listened to music, ate and fell asleep happy. Okay, that was very escapistic, emotional and dreamy. Nothing even slightly reminding deliriants. Sense of being enlightened during whole trip almost glowing and flying. Real world disappears and all that matters and all that exists is your thoughts. Tbh now I miss this feeling even though still slightly high. Gotta be careful with nutmeg now. Also time wasn't perfect because falling asleep lowers the effect. Still the best is when you have a free day and eat nutmeg at like 6 am on empty stomach. But this time setting was perfect.
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MemeLord wrote:
01:31 In my notes for this time there is only one Russian bad word repeated several times.
02:07 Some other Russian bad words.
Are you from Russia? That's cool! My experience of nutmeg as a teenager, was from grinding and eating some of the whole seeds (maybe 5). It was a very hot summer's day and I remember I felt very drunk/stoned for about 20 hours after taking the nutmeg, and just stayed in the house sleeping off the effects. I remember a somewhat hallucinogenic effect happened when I woke up after sleeping, and I could move and spin an imaginary object for some minutes.
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downwardsfromzero wrote:It appears to me that foodstuffs with significant amounts of carotenoids rekindle the effects of nutmeg. Sometimes this is better than the first time around. I found this out when trippy effects suddenly set in after eating a fried egg butty with tomato ketchup the day after using nutmeg tincture.
dragonrider - did you notice if these waves of effects were associated with eating food? I don't recall. I think not. It would happen for instance, when i was at school during french class.
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I ate 3 whole nutmegs when I was 16.
I found it very unpleasant.
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ajlala wrote:MemeLord wrote:
01:31 In my notes for this time there is only one Russian bad word repeated several times.
02:07 Some other Russian bad words.
Are you from Russia? That's cool! My experience of nutmeg as a teenager, was from grinding and eating some of the whole seeds (maybe 5). It was a very hot summer's day and I remember I felt very drunk for about 20 hours after taking the nutmeg, and just stayed in the house. I remember a somewhat hallucinogenic effect happened when I woke up after sleeping, and I could move and spin an imaginary object for some minutes. Eastern Ukraine. Probably one of the reason why I'm so desperate in growing own shrooms and still experimenting with nutmeg instead of DMT and acid  On nutmeg it's so easy to miss the interesting part I was taking it occasionally for maybe two years and only now realised how strong and interesting it can be. Even on high doses when you are active you may feel just moderately stoned, tired, dizzy and uncomfortable. Also falling asleeps and waking up always reduces intesity of trip. I also would feel kinda stupid if I'm describing effect similar to just marijuana edibles as something psychedelic.  Praying to shroom godz because next time I definetly want to try nutmeg+shrooms.
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MemeLord wrote:Eastern Ukraine. Probably one of the reason why I'm so desperate in growing own shrooms and still experimenting with nutmeg instead of DMT and acid That's interesting, you must be the first person from Ukraine on this forum (although there are some other people from other unusual countries like Colombia here) - hopefully you can tell us more about culture in your country if you stay on the forum. MemeLord wrote:On nutmeg it's so easy to miss the interesting part I was taking it occasionally for maybe two years and only now realised how strong and interesting it can be. Even on high doses when you are active you may feel just moderately stoned, tired, dizzy and uncomfortable. Also falling asleeps and waking up always reduces intesity of trip. I also would feel kinda stupid if I'm describing effect similar to just marijuana edibles as something psychedelic. Praying to shroom godz because next time I definetly want to try nutmeg+shrooms. It might be a good idea to use nutmeg only in moderation, because it may have some negative effects on the liver. It might not be a good idea to take it too often. I haven't looked into this since I was a teenager, but it was something I remember reading (before I took nutmeg myself). Have you tried Heavenly Blue Morning Glory seeds? These should be growing and legal (?) in Ukraine.
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ajlala wrote:MemeLord wrote:Eastern Ukraine. Probably one of the reason why I'm so desperate in growing own shrooms and still experimenting with nutmeg instead of DMT and acid That's interesting, you must be the first person from Ukraine on this forum (although there are some other people from other unusual countries like Colombia here) - hopefully you can tell us more about culture in your country if you stay on the forum. MemeLord wrote:On nutmeg it's so easy to miss the interesting part I was taking it occasionally for maybe two years and only now realised how strong and interesting it can be. Even on high doses when you are active you may feel just moderately stoned, tired, dizzy and uncomfortable. Also falling asleeps and waking up always reduces intesity of trip. I also would feel kinda stupid if I'm describing effect similar to just marijuana edibles as something psychedelic. Praying to shroom godz because next time I definetly want to try nutmeg+shrooms. It might be a good idea to use nutmeg only in moderation, because it may have some negative effects on the liver. It might not be a good idea to take it too often. I haven't looked into this since I was a teenager, but it was something I remember reading (before I took nutmeg myself). Have you tried Heavenly Blue Morning Glory seeds? These should be growing and legal (?) in Ukraine. To tell about our culture?  I'm confused tbh. If you have russians here we have a lot of things in common due to the post-soviet mentality. We are different but not as different so you could see it. I tried Morning Glory seeds several times. I don't know, I find it boring, inconsistent and whole trip feels dirty because of physical side effects. It starts from rush of euphoria and after it ends, some strong mind alteration starts. First of all depersonalization and derealization, schizophrenic-like atactic thinking. There almost no english articles about atactic thinking but it perfectly describes what morning glory does to me. Once I took a realy high dose like 11 grams of seeds, didn't get that euphoric part, everything started to get slower, depersonalization and derealization hitted me, soon panorama of the city was flat. Like you looking on a huge poster with houses, trees and road printed on it. (I heared somwhere that people with schizophrenia also see everything flat btw) I went home. Eventually DP and DR got so strong I almost lost myself. Blank stare into the wall and empty head for a few hours, looking at the place where piece of wallpaper torn off the wall and don't understand maybe I am this piece of wallpaper? A moth flew past me, very slow and it was glowing with strange aura - is it real or hallucination? That's it - I'm completely emotionless, empty and disconnected from reality doing nothing for a few hours. Visual effect from non-existent to very weak. Auras on the edges, some strange barely noticeable 2D visions of strange mechanisms. Physically it increases heart rate, raises blood pressure, narrows blood vessels (I felt cold in arms and legs), a lot of minor muscle cramps around the body, jaw is living it's own life and ofc dilated pupils.
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Quote:whole trip feels dirty because of physical side effects.
There can be (ingestion) ways to reduce or mitigate the physical side effects. SWIM usually feels only a little nausea for the first hour or so. Quote:looking at the place where piece of wallpaper torn off the wall and don't understand maybe I am this piece of wallpaper?
Oh interesting, SWIM has some similar experiences at higher doses (800 seeds). For example, "realizing" that his purpose in life is to be the servant of his cat for about 2 hours. Quote:Visual effect from non-existent to very weak. Auras on the edges, some strange barely noticeable 2D visions of strange mechanisms
Yes for SWIM there are also almost no visual effects. Mainly he just experiences a very strong visual dizziness at the higher doses. Quote: That's it - I'm completely emotionless, empty and disconnected from reality doing nothing for a few hours.
SWIM finds it can combine well emotionally with music, internet browsing, etc... For example, watching underwater diving videos, SWIM can imagine he is inside the video. Also listening to ambient music can sound more epic. SWIM also finds he has profound thoughts about his life and how he needs to appreciate it. Quote:To tell about our culture?Surprised I'm confused tbh. If you have russians here we have a lot of things in common due to the post-soviet mentality. We are different but not as different so you could see it.Laughing I don't think there have been Russians here. I think it's mainly Americans and British, maybe some Latin Americans. It's cool if it's more multinational here.
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