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3 attempts for extraction with no yield Options
 
earnest
#1 Posted : 12/21/2018 5:40:11 PM

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Hello everyone! I first heard about DMT about 2 years ago. I didnt feel ready to try it by that time so I think now is the time already. Starter researching again a month ago. I purchased from 3 different sellers root barks ( 2x50g ACRB and 200 MHRB powdered). After my first extraction using Cyb`s tech strictly i took from the first 3 pulls arround 0.005 and i am not sure even if it was DMT.
I tought ok first try fail, lets try again and after some reading decided to try the following STB tek:

Put 50g NaOH into 0,25L of distilled water.
Add 50g of powderized MHRB
Mix thoroughly, the more, the better
Let sit for 24 hours. Mix every few hours
Add 0,5l of distilled water, mix thoroughly
Add non-polar and pull few times.

What happend is when i added the non-polar in only separate on the top 25% of it. I put 50ml and was able to see only 15-20 of them, when put additional more 50, again i was able to see only around 30 on the top, so where the other 70 went i am not sure. Tried adding salt, lye and h2o one after another and nothing seem to changed. My lye is on big crystals btw, it is not powderized, but i dont think this have some negative effect on the whole process. I made 2 pulls and gather in a small jar for later evap of the additional naphta.

In the same time tried this tek with ACRB


https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=58064

This time the naphta splitted really well from the basic mix. Gather 3 pulls with the one from the other tek, reduced the naphta to almost gone and even in this circumstances the naphta was yellow color clear look ( no shady, misty).

After those 3 attempts for the last 5 days i am starting to getting discouraged. For now i have the 3 base mixes in a 1l bottles, 100g MHRB powdered , 50g ACRB half powder half bark parts.

Tried to find d-limon, but it seem hard to buy from where i am / europe / ,thats why i went for the lye.

I am starting to think if all the bark i bought is crap or i am making some really big mistake so i cant get no yield at all.

What could you advice me?
Thank you!
 

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pete666
#2 Posted : 12/21/2018 6:14:11 PM

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earnest wrote:
I tought ok first try fail, lets try again and after some reading decided to try the following STB tek:

Put 50g NaOH into 0,25L of distilled water.
Add 50g of powderized MHRB
Mix thoroughly, the more, the better
Let sit for 24 hours. Mix every few hours
Add 0,5l of distilled water, mix thoroughly
Add non-polar and pull few times.

What happend is when i added the non-polar in only separate on the top 25% of it. I put 50ml and was able to see only 15-20 of them, when put additional more 50, again i was able to see only around 30 on the top, so where the other 70 went i am not sure. Tried adding salt, lye and h2o one after another and nothing seem to changed. My lye is on big crystals btw, it is not powderized, but i dont think this have some negative effect on the whole process. I made 2 pulls and gather in a small jar for later evap of the additional naphta.



I see you tried STB advised by me. I am sorry it was not working for you. Unfortunately every bark is different and possibility of emulsion is always there. If cybs TEK is not giving you emulsions for this particular bark, go that way. NaCl can help with emulsions, but sometimes it has to be added before emulsion sets in, I have seen emulsion not willing to decompose when NaCl was added afterwards but no emulsion if NaCl was added beforehand. STB I advised is almost the same like cybs, the only difference is the NaCl and 24h NaOH soak, but the soak is hardly causing the emulsion.
If you successfully went through cybs TEK and got nothing, the bark is likely a crap.

How much have you been shaking when pulling? Have you tried not just freeze-precip, but total evap too? Evap is not advised, but it tells you for sure how much was there if there was error in freeze-precip
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earnest
#3 Posted : 12/21/2018 6:31:15 PM

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Well on my first extraction by cybs`s tek i was shaking for about 10 secs vigorously. For the following 2 extractions i was shaking them for about 45-60 seconds before leaving it to separate. All done in hot bath, every 25-30minute re-heat the water. Or you are asking if i picked from the base mix by mistake (shaking hand)? If yes the answer is yes - my naphta was dirty with basemix, but i was planing to re-x if i managed to get any yield at all.

I did not try evap all of the naphta. I could try this tomorrow, but since it wasnt cloudy i doubt it will leave something.
 
pete666
#4 Posted : 12/21/2018 7:03:40 PM

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Shake 1 minute vigorously, let separate. Repeat this cycle 3 times per pull. If you don't get enough dmt in the result, you know the bark is bad. Of course if you didn't do any other mistake.
Repeat pulling till any reasonable dmt in separated solvent

You never should have any basified water in pulled solvent. Don't use turkey baster, use pipette (50ml) with rubber bulb. Rather leave solvent for next pull than try to get everything and bring base to the solvent.

Try evaping, just to make sure. Then you know the bark is bad.
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