...is produced by our own brains because some superior force (God?) wanted it? I mean, I use psychedelics to have mystical experiences which consent me to perceive the divine nature of existence, in fact they are called entheogens. Thanks to LSD I went from being a nichilist atheist to believing in something superior. To all the atheists: do you really think that the fact that we and other animals and plants contain a potent entheogen is just a coincidence? For me is statistically more probable that someone made us with this particular feature. I mean, we contain DMT, the most powerful entheogen, the spirit molecule, not caffeine or some other substances that aren't psychedelics!

I just want to know if someone agree or disagree with this tought, thanks in advance for your replies!

I believe that we regulate our consciousness and perception of reality using chemicals and due to the relatively similar metabolic pathways shared by animals and plants it stands to reason that some other species could also contain these chemicals, as such when consumed these compounds can profoundly effect our consciousness.

Not a particularly mystical viewpoint but stands up to logical reasoning.

That is a difficult question. I honestly don't know what to think of it. Life is full of these little coincidences that seem to suggest it was all meant to be this way. A solar eclips is another great example. The distance between the moon and the sun is exactly the distance needed for the moon to "fit". Coincidence? I don't know. There are as much reasons to believe in something as there are reasons not to.

This is a major fallacy. Probabilities in retrospect mean nothing. We just attach meanings to the status quo, without realizing that ANY outcome, regardless of its meaningfulness, is exactly as rare and improbable as the one we assign an importance to.

Let's say the lottery numbers one week come out as 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. One would consider this incredibly strange and unique, indicative of cheating, or divine intervention, or something. However, the REAL probability of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 is exactly the same as that of any other five numbers, of any regular set of winning numbers we wouldn't even bat an eye at.


We also contain all kinds of neurotransmitters and shit that make us operate as intelligent living beings. Why would a chemical that trips you out be so special compared to, say, acetylcholinesteraze? Also, DMT has an evolutionary benefit of being a neuroprotective chemical against oxygen deprivation.


Well you know, ultimately I'm a panentheist, and consider consensus reality to be a product of what could be called "mind" or "spirit", or even "god". So I'm not an atheist.

I just don't like bad logic as a basis of worldviews.

If psychedelic trips gave you a personal reality of experiencing God, why not accept and embrace that personal reality instead of trying to grasp around for supporting evidence in consensus space?

On a slightly different note if there were a god then why would they go on to create such a horrifically damaging species such as humanity. We are on track to wipe out nearly all the biodiversity in this beautiful world we inhabit. Seems very counterproductive and totally misguided to me.

Please don’t take this as a person attack on your beliefs, it’s just food for thought and an idea for discussion :-)

Whatever be the case, this thought is very empowering! Attitude is everything

Sober: God is an invention of man.
Afterglow of DMT: Thank you god, I am so fortunate for you for loving me!

Completely just my opinion....

I'm an atheist. It is all to easy to wrap us atheists into a nice neat package. We are diverse in what we think as well. Just because I don't believe in Yahweh or any other god man invented doesn't mean that I don't believe in something. My feeling is that all religions are technically false and metaphorically true.

It is a part of our evolution. These religions and/or spiritual belief systems play a part in our survival. They would not exist otherwise. I see how our religions have changed and yes, evolved over time. If these religions change, they are part of our evolution. Religions will continue to evolve to meet the needs of our survival.

Man had invented millions of gods. The hindu religion alone has like 30 million gods. Which one is the right one? Better pick the right one if you live in certain parts of the world or you may just end up dead. How many people have died because of these gods? Millions upon millions of people is the answer. We have been manipulated and these images of gods have been manipulated in so many ways over the years enable to control the masses. There may be an underlying truth in all religions and they all hold value, unfortunately, many of us are led my the nose and just accept the belief systems that we are brought up to believe.

I have smoked DMT and seen gods , at least that is the best word to use to describe them. I have aslo entered into a white light and felt a love within like no other. I have had conversations with this light and these gods. They have spoke to me. I ain't whilsting dixie here. DMT is weird. I saw what I saw. They showed me we are all connected with everything else. The light showed me that I am it and it is me and it is in everything. Should I start another religion?

Those who find enlightenment often remain silent for one reason. They know the power of manipulation and the power of misunderstanding and mistranslation. Jesus stated that when he died they would create a church and it would be manipulated. He knew this would happen as he knew our nature. Buddha said the same type of thing and did not want statues made in his image. They tried to convey a message, a positive message or truth. As Oscar Wilde stated "The truth cannot be told so as to be understood and not believed."

We all have a truth in us. We are all part of the same thing. We are all connected. If people really believed this, we would not have war. "What you do to the least of my breatheren you do to me" sound familiar. I can go on and on with quotes that point to this truth. I felt this truth in the white light. This truth was told to me by these other gods I have met while on DMT. This truth I can feel to my core.

There is truth there. It is there. Just have to weed through all the filters that people applied over the years. Once all filters are removed the truth is apparant. We are all connected. We are all one species that came out of the earth. We are connected with the earth, we are commected with the plants, we are connected with the animals, we are connected with the stars, moons and planets.

I carry this truth for me and only me. I will not kill over it. I will not lie about it. I will not manipulate it. It is my truth. I wish I could give that truth to others, but I cannot. It is something you have to see and experience on your own. Someone else cannot give it to you. The truth will get lost in translation. It has been happening for a very long time.

I don't believe in coincidences, yet I remain an atheist.

I think this is by far the greater coincidence. It allows us to see the Suns corona too, something otherwise hidden from view and which alludes to the interconnected nature of our astrophysical environment through magnetic and electric fields. I subscribe to an electrical model of astrophysics, so it makes the whole thing even more coincidental - personally I don't believe it's coincidence.

Neither do I believe DMT is a coincidence. It's all engineering of some sort, it all serves some function or another. But I don't put it down to God. A universal being, maybe, but God is something else.

DMT specifically. I think it's like the other neurotransmitters, that they somehow allow the penetration of thought or impressions from another dimension into our consciousness. Entheogenic or psychedelic experience is a poetic expression of our (lack) of understanding of the physics and physiological mechanisms involved.

Anyway, you're looking in the wrong direction for coincidence my friend. There's a million and one of these mysteries and coincidences out there. But have you ever asked yourself why the most immediate aspect of your experience seems so, real? Why are you aware in the first place and not just a flesh robot (which anatomically we appear to be)?

Observing smaller scale systems, it's quite common for a life form to go on a total rampage and devour everything, even to the point of hurting the sustainability of its own life. However, usually this is followed up by a sporulation phase, when the energy so harvested from the environment is used to perpetuate and distribute life. Even within a single, whole organism, the reproductive system often operates in a way that greatly weakens or even destroys the organism, prioritizing the future distribution of the species over the survival of the individual.

So... even if we subscribe to some kind of Gaia theory, humanity, or any potentially space-faring, intelligent species, may be the sporulation phase of the biosphere. Highly damaging to the individual, but may potentially open up vast new opportunities for life itself. Also, don't think that anthropogenic changes to Earth's ecology are particularly vast or bad. They are vast and bad for us, but for the ecosystem it's just another stress factor. Note that the ecosystem has recovered from meteor crashes, supervolcano-caused nuclear winters, etc...

That's from the viewpoint from a Gaia organism. From the viewpoint of a universal God, even the question may be meaningless: "God", "spirit", or "understanding" (a word I prefer vastly to "consciousness" ) experiences existence through complex material forms it creates. Material forms are born and die. For "God", the experience of humanity, of the human condition, could be worth the death of some other material forms, may they be beautiful - just as a human may consider killing and harvesting a cactus to be worth the mescaline experience.


Now you really made me curious. What do you call God then, if not a universal being? Or what exactly is the difference in your thoughts?

I really like this.

A universal being would still be a relative thing, one more form or expression in relation to other forms and expressions.

God is Absolute. There is naught beside it. It is everythingness and it is nothingness. It does not possess attributes or personality. There is no language to describe it and it can not be perceived by the mind of man. But you can become it, experience it directly; this is the enlightenment experience.

Thanks for all your replies... It's very interesting to have many points of view.