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benzyme
#1 Posted : 10/12/2018 8:33:02 PM

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"Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
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benzyme
#2 Posted : 10/12/2018 8:41:59 PM

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I couldn't find a thread on this, so I created one. That's one of my keys (Benzyme)
"Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
"Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
 
MachienDome
#3 Posted : 10/16/2018 9:32:07 AM

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Excellent! A sure-fire way to know you are indeed talking to the real person. Also helpful in keeping jackboot thugs out of your conversations - where they belong.

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#4 Posted : 3/9/2019 11:22:18 AM
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#6 Posted : 3/9/2019 2:47:43 PM

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Ok I'll bite. I've read about encryption and PGP and still don't really understand this thread. Will somebody please explain, in layman's terms, what these large blocks of text are for?
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Tony6Strings wrote:
Ok I'll bite. I've read about encryption and PGP and still don't really understand this thread. Will somebody please explain, in layman's terms, what these large blocks of text are for?


Long story short - those large blocks of text are the public PGP keys of other people. Having that, you can encrypt a message that only they can decipher with their private key.

I highly encourage using PGP encryption when discussing sensitive topics and exchanging sensitive information with someone else. A very simple to use and effective software for that is gpg4usb. You can check out their documentation section (one of the best written documentations on PGP software out there) to get a general idea what encryption is, and why you should use it.

Also what's cool about this particular software is that you can upload it to an USB drive and literally attach it to your keychain and bring it with you everywhere in case you need to discuss something sensitive urgently with someone while you're out.

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#8 Posted : 3/10/2019 4:31:02 AM

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great idea, Benz...to have these accessible. wonder if there's a way we can list these in our profiles?
here's mine:

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It still provides non-repudiation, message integrity, and a sufficient level of encryption for limited personal use. No sense in just getting rid of it and using nothing at all in its place...sure its old...really old...and depreciating...but its not broken.
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Tony6Strings wrote:
Ok I'll bite. I've read about encryption and PGP and still don't really understand this thread. Will somebody please explain, in layman's terms, what these large blocks of text are for?


PGP is public key cryptography. This means you give people your public key so they can use it to encrypt a message to you. Those big blocks are our public keys. You then use your secret key (which you keep secret from others) to decrypt the message. Since no one else has your secret key no one else can decrypt messages to you.
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#13 Posted : 10/1/2021 3:50:28 PM
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The efail vuln didn't/doesn't directly exploit pgp nor any of the encryption standards.

The primary vuln comes from how the victims email client makes use of the html tags [particularly the img tag] due to alterations that the attacker had made to one of the original [intercepted] [&&] [encrypted] emails prior to sending it to the victim. This proof of concept relies also on said attacker having a server endpoint to receive the request, once the malformed img tag w/ ciphertext is loaded on the victim/client, the deciphered plaintext then being visible in the request url.

And the [other] cbc gadget attack relies on the attacker needing/having previous [in part] plaintext, then continual appending cbc gadgets in order to be able to insert an img tag. Similar proof of concept as above, though this 2nd attack is more resistant to most email client standards.

Even so both of these style of attacks [as with most things in this field] need several things to line up prior to in order for any of this to even work. And even then in the wild, especially today, these sorts of attacks are very limited.

Claiming pgp is flawed is simply not true. It's how pgp's been/being implemented within the email clients themselves, so this falls on the developers as such ..not pgp.

** Just want to highlight that when i say 'pgp' I'm referring mainly to the openpgp standard. Apologies for the synonymous talk.

*** Also wanted to say that these scenarios are incredibly watered and simplified. The leverage of these sorts of attacks is very minimal && the requirements alone for this to succeed and be of any significant use is small.

 
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#15 Posted : 10/17/2021 2:28:26 AM
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The biggest issue relating to openpgp and the various email clients implementations of it at that time was that despite the mdc warning if the mdc was missing or malformed - the client apps were still allowing decryption of sent message, despite this built in warning from openpgp.

[ae/aead is of utmost importance]

openpgp-able'd email does have a couple primary issues [amongst lesser known issues]:
-no forward secrecy
-headers still in plaintext

though openpgp [in my view] is good for specific use case scenarios, imo it's good for ensuring the entire process through 'manual' [off-app] means [cmd line or gui tool then copy/pasting to an email app to send, then vice versa].

^^ [a very simplified overview]

** though an mdc isn't even necessarily needed if said sender/recipient just digitially sign their messages.

[though it never hurts to have both the mdc/check && and the message being digitially signed]

just dug up an old page I had saved from 18', a response [quoted] from gpg after all the efail jazz:

gpg team wrote:
In 1999 we realized OpenPGP's symmetric cipher mode (a variant of cipher
feedback) had a weakness: in some cases an attacker could modify text.
As Werner Koch, the founder of GnuPG, put it: "[Phil Zimmermann] and Jon
Callas asked me to attend the AES conference in Rome to discuss problems
with the CFB mode which were on the horizon. That discussion was in
March 1999 and PGP and GnuPG implemented a first version [of our
countermeasure] about a month later. According to GnuPG's NEWS file,
[our countermeasure] went live in Summer 2000."

The countermeasure Werner mentions is called a Modification Detection
Code, or MDC. It's been a standard part of GnuPG for almost eighteen
years. For almost all that time, any message which does not have an MDC
attached has caused GnuPG to throw up big, clear, and obvious warning
messages.

GnuPG also throws large warning messages if an MDC indicates a message
has been modified. In both cases, if your email client respects this
warning and does the right thing -- namely, not showing you the email --
then you are completely protected from the Efail attack, as it's just a
modern spin on something we started defending against almost twenty
years ago.


funnily enough we'd talked about this some months back over on ycomb/hckrnews, and seeing the previous posts in this thread i figured i'd respond

&& to quote my bud over there:

Quote:
It is irresponsible to encourage at-risk people to use PGP-encrypted email. It's malpractice.


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