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#1 Posted : 2/10/2017 7:25:38 AM

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How useful is it for an organism like us to ponder our ultimate doom? It is scary because if you take the common rational assumption of death then you will unexist forever.

In my experience, when I perceive this concept (that I will be lost forever) deep down with lots and lots of clarity (I mean not just thinking about it but really understanding what that means), I usually find that I get anxious for a few moments and then suddenly I feel like I just want to get it over with as fast as possible as delaying it any further is just pointless. So in other words, a supposed delusion exists that sustains my desire for life and once that delusion is broken with clarity in to the nature of the concept I will not exist forever then death becomes desirable as there is no other alternative. The same thing, I assume, occurs on a smaller scale when you bring up the concept of death will people in conversation, it suddenly sparks some depressive emotions and these depressive emotions are equivalent to the result of desiring death on smaller scale as the realization in the participant has not become fully expressed in his/her mind yet due to conversation being localized in language rather than deep introspective and existential analysis and therefore manifests itself as both depression, confusion and a desire to change the subject to more light and convivial things like how to make strawberry cupcakes Love

Now this is the issue with our western societies' common sense view of death; knowing that you become n0thing is anxiety provoking until the point people feel they just want to get it over with. IE, companies like DIGNITAS for people who have a terminal illness.

Of course this is only one scenario of thinking about death, there are many others. The question here though is how does this benefit us? Surely by thinking of the end of what we are enables us to define the value of what we are. We do not need to live forever to give life meaning so why then under the pure and direct realization that we are going to die (not just thinking about it) do people perceive that their life is worthless because they will be annihilated for all eternity? More to the point how does thinking of death benefit us? Does it enable us to see the value of our lives more clearly?

IME, DMT has always made me ponder death a lot, among many other things also.
 

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#2 Posted : 2/10/2017 2:47:25 PM
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As the esoteric traditions say, life is an opportunity to prepare for death

ND: You have said that an important part of the mystical quest is to face up to death and recognize it as a rhythm of life. Would you like to enlarge on your view on the implications of the dying process?

TM: I take seriously the notion that these psychedelic states are an anticipation of the dying process-or, as the Tibetans refer to it, the Bardo level beyond physical death. It seems likely that our physical lives are a type of launching pad for the soul. As the esoteric traditions say, life is an opportunity to prepare for death, and we should learn to recognize the signposts along the way, so that when death comes, we can make the transition smoothly. I think the psychedelics show you the transcendental nature of reality. It would be hard to die gracefully as an atheist or existentialist. Why should you? Why not rage against the dying of the light? But if in fact this is not the dying of the light but the Dawning of the Great Light, then one should certainly not rage against that. There's a tendency in the New Age to deny death. We have people pursuing physical immortality and freezing their heads until the fifth millennium, when they can be thawed out. All of this indicates a lack of balance or equilibrium. The Tao flows through the realms of life and nonlife with equal ease. -terence McKenna


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At death, the thing that casts the shadow withdraws, and metabolism ceases. Material form breaks down; it ceases to be a dissipative structure in a very localized area, sustained against entropy by cycling material in, extracting energy, and expelling waste. But the form that ordered it is not affected. These declarative statements are made from the point of view of the shamanic tradition, which touches all higher religions. Both the psychedelic dream state and the waking psychedelic state acquire great import because they reveal to life a task: to become familiar with this dimension that is causing being, in order to be familiar with it at the moment of passing from life.

The metaphor of a vehicle--an after-death vehicle, an astral body--is used by several traditions. Shamanism and certain yogas, including Taoist yoga, claim very clearly that the purpose of life is to familiarize oneself with this after-death body so that the act of dying will not create confusion in the psyche. One will recognize what is happening. One will know what to do and one will make a clean break. Yet there does seem to be the possibility of a problem in dying. It is not the case that one is condemned to eternal life. One can muff it through ignorance.

Apparently at the moment of death there is a kind of separation, like birth--the metaphor is trivial, but perfect. There is a possibility of damage or of incorrect activity. The English poet-mystic William Blake said that as one starts into the spiral there is the possibility of falling from the golden track into eternal death. Yet it is only a crisis of a moment--a crisis of passage--and the whole purpose of shamanism and of life correctly lived is to strengthen the soul and to strengthen the ego's relationship to the soul so that this passage can be cleanly made. This is the traditional position...

What psychedelics encourage, and where I hope attention will focus once hallucinogens are culturally integrated to the point where large groups of people can plan research programs without fear of persecution, is the modeling of the after-death state. Psychedelics may do more than model this state; they may reveal the nature of it. Psychedelics will show us that the modalities of appearance and understanding can be shifted so that we can know mind within the context of the One Mind. The One Mind contains all experiences of the Other. There is no dichotomy between the Newtonian universe, deployed throughout light-years of three-dimensional space, and the interior mental universe. They are adumbrations of the same thing.

We perceive them as unresolvable dualisms because of the low quality of the code we customarily use. The language we use to discuss this problem has built-in dualisms. This is a problem of language. All codes have relative code qualities, except the Logos. The Logos is perfect and, therefore, partakes of no quality other than itself. I am here using the word Logos in the sense in which Philo Judaeus uses it--that of the Divine Reason that embraces the archetypal complex of Platonic ideas that serve as the models of creation. As long as one maps with something other than the Logos, there will be problems of code quality. The dualism built into our language makes the death of the species and the death of the individual appear to be opposed things.-terence McKenna


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