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kiang
#1 Posted : 9/8/2016 8:32:02 PM
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Consider this hipotetically as i havent done it..

My syrian rue plants never give me flower, so no seedpods. What i would use instead are the leaves and stems. I would make a brew and evaporate the remaining water to a resin. So now the question. Would it be possible to mix a little sodium bicarbonate to increase ph level so to be effective as a rapé, as is done with yopo seeds?

 

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Intezam
#2 Posted : 9/13/2016 2:01:19 PM

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hmmmmm....same here (no flowers/seedpods yet) but it sounds interesting. Are you planning to add tobacco? Mint? We'd have to try that sodium bicarbonate thingy but first we would try it without it....perhaps because it would make it moar irritating?


we could even add some extremely stressed p. brachystachys leaf powder.....Shocked
...but maybe that would give intezam the blue-staggers????? But yes, we have smoalked it (with harmalas) before and didn't get any blue-staggers then.....we also have fig leaf which has wonderful serotonic flavour.

How are you planning to use sodium-bicarbonate? On the rue or on the whole completed rapé?
Do you have a picture of your rue plants?

So perhaps we will try this:
5gr tobacco leaf
3gr rue leaf/stem/seed
3gr p.brachystachys leaf
3gr Morrocan mint leaf
3gr Japanese mint leaf
0.3gr fig leaf ??

it will take moar time because we would have to harvest-dry everything first...then powder it into a fine dust. Will try it on it's own first.....then take a portion and add sodium bicarbonate and try that....then compare which one has moar clarity headspace to it....Drool

....is there a reason why not to use powdered rue seeds? They are much moar potent...?

Edit: Instead of sodium bicarbonate we recommend to use slaked lime (very little). One can get that at any Indian store (it's called 'chuna' for use with betel nut, tobacco khaini...etc). The chuna (very little - you can always add moar later) should be mixed
with the herbal powders and then some drops of water added.....then mix, dry and powder again....etc

Update: we just tried some:

It is really nice.....very clean clear sharp audio sight and clarity. We didn't have any white lime so we used some lime & acacia catechu mix....anyways, we used less then one third of the lime & catechu mix from the 3nd picture:



...of the fig leaf dust we also used very little, perhaps one 6th. First we tried some tobacco by itself but the stink of cigar made we think of random devils, so we flavoured it with aloeswood oil, and hina555 oil and some other stuff.



The mints, we flavoured them with some extra mint oil. Then, the rue. We mixed some dry rue leaves and rue seed and ground it into a fine dust. We thought, that this might take the longest, but no, p.brachystachys took the longest grind. Gawd knows why.....and it stinks loike the mothball-abyss into a dead realm, so we think it was a good call to use some natural attars for flavouring the other stuff....the lime stuff, we only added it to the phalaris and the rue, followed by three drops of water.....then we added everying else......



BTW: We do have the (rue seed) resin as well, but it is very sticky loike licorice and difficult to handle. Even when frozen it remains sticky. Of course its possible to mix the resin with some pure alcolol and then evap it on some herbals, but that is not really as efficient as powdered plant/stem/seed powder.....(we think). Never made resin from rue leaf...Laughing

Update 2: the way we have done above is no good! Why? It is the high silica content in the dry phalaris leaf blades, it may be highly carcinogenic when in touch with the mucous membranes of the nasal cavity, so this is probably not safe.

The way of doing it safe is:
harvest fresh p. brachystachys leaf blades early in the morning, spray them with alcolol immediately, then run them through a manual wheat grass juicer. Bring to boil the juice immediately with some vinegar at low heat until the chlorophyll separates from the liquid. Remove the chlorophyll scum and safe the orange liquid. Add an appropriate amount of NaOH. Then add some salt. Heat some naphtha in water bath and use the warmed naptha 3-4 times to pull alkaloids from the orange liquid. Evap the naphtha. If need beeeey, convert the goo into acetate/fumerate/citrate according to your needs. Can use that goo to smear the haoma pestle of your mortar and impregnate the other powders with some Noorani Noor. Don't use too many....

This would actually be moar interesting/what-we-want with a 5-MeO strain such as turkey red.
 
 
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