Dosage:
* 120 mg Shrooms (microdose)...
* ...and later 40 mg Spice vaporized

Preparation:
* less meat
* 4-5 days no alcohol

Foreword/Preamble
* After reading James Kent article "The Case Against DMT Elves” I was convinced that there is no Gateway to other dimension nor there are no autonomous entities or aliens.
* Also my last half year of spice experiences happened in beautiful but empty places.
* May be I was wrong...

Experience:
First grey and simple patterns...very disappointing!
Suddenly a sunny room of 4 x 3m with huge windows on the opposite site materialized. The sun was shining strong but not unpleasant. The air was fresh like the air in the mountains. Outside this room there was some kind of a park. Everything was crystal clear.
In front of me I saw two children sitting cross legged at the window wall the distance was 2 m.
Between the children and me where moving white metal rings with letters on the surface.
The characters did change so fast it was impossible to read but I recognized they were Latin.
The rings were forming a ball and floating in the air about 10 cm above the floor and had the size of 1m.
The children were peaceful, friendly with a lot of joy that I was with them. The children moved the ball of rings in my direction. Maybe as a gift? At this time I don’t know. One week later, after a lot of thinking, I’m sure that the rings was a key to unlock something.

Back to the situation, I was uncertain what to do. I looked closer to the children and then I recognize two young woman's standing behind the children. The woman's were very proud about the children's action (presenting me a gift) and smiling with a beautiful Madonna face. I first thought this a blissful kindergarten, today I would say it was a holy, peaceful place.

Interesting and for me not understandable, even the time was so short (max. 1 min?) the details of the scenery where clear and memorable.

And yes, I believe this situation was real, more then real. But my logic say it couldn’t be.

Questions:
* Has someone a similar experience? Since this situation I faced two other experience with female guides, always friendly!
* How could Hyperspace more the real? I was able to see the room, to smell the air and to recognize everything at once.


Thanks in advance

Swim has had very similar experiences in both boomers and deems along with traditional brew. As I can remember, the place I wlvisitrd numerous times was a place between here and thr next dimension (metaphysical world). And the beings there, it's almost as if there only there for you. Like they have come on a journey as well just to meet you and give you this miraculous gift of light and knowledge. It seems real because it is. At this point hallucinations are out the door and your are seeing through your 3rd eye or having "a vision" . Sounds like you may have been very close to a OBE and a good long one lol.
I'm glad it was such a delightful and expanding journey. Remember. The body talks and meditation helps

Hello SachiTheSearcher,

this was a fast reply and thanks for your understanding. Meditation is on the top ten of my agenda!

I'm still struggle with the spice "visions". If they are "real" this would shift radically my point of view.

But "se la vie"...there are also other things I can learn from these visions.

BTW, what is OBE?

Cheers

OBE is an out of body experience. The blast off point where conscious seperates from body and you go all the way across the bridge you where tip going on previously. Then that point of view your talking about will radically be change. Usually for the better

OBE? Hm...yes that's correct, never thought about it.

Since then, OBE happened very often even with small dose like 30 mg Spice.
I guess this was the key/gift I got from the children.

Thanks for your support, things/situations with Spice are so impressive and overwhelming that is hard to continue with your "daily business".


But I think, I don't tell you a secret...
:-)

Secrets don't make friends hahaha. But actually Terrence McKenna said 55mgs is a very high dose if dine properly. Well over enough to get the blast off effect. 30mgs along with mushies I'm sure is plenty of tryptamines

Hi Sachi,

sorry for disappointing you...it was just 120 mg shrooms.

The last months I tested microdosing of shrooms/ALD. It also influence the spice visions in a very positiv way.
But that's a different story.


Thx

30mg of DMT is not a small dose by any stretch of the imagination. Most need anywhere between 20-30mg to breakthrough properly. The key is administering it correctly and within the small "window" of time you have between the first hit and the remaining ones.

The DMT world is as real as you want to make/interpret it. This is where integration plays a huge role in the attempt to understand what is happening in these states of being. "Real" is a funny term, I mean, of course it is "real" to you. You experienced it therefore something "real" happened in your life but you can't forget that it was induced by one of the most powerful and ancient psychedelics known to man. While under it's effects the brain interprets the world in a vastly different way than in a sober state, obviously. But does that mean that hyperspace is some physical (metaphysical) realm hiding behind or within reality itself?

Unfortunately there is no way for any of us to prove it one way or another and this exact idea has been discussed many times here at the Nexus. I like to think that it is just as likely that it is a real place vs it being all in our heads, over amplified by a powerful substance. But what do I know? After all, I'm just a silly human searching for answers! Maybe someday science will catch up and we will know for sure. But until then, onwards and upwards! And welcome to the Nexus Ram Dazz!

NOTE: Here is a thread every DMT journeyman should have a look through:

A pragmatic approach: What is "real", and when is it actually useful to ask this?

Yea stayed before the dosage was about spot on. Perfect micro dose ad well maybe try with some caapi or syrian root and orally ingest about 100mg of spice
Pharmaaya
There's a thread in the Nexus dedicated to it

Yea stayed before the dosage was about spot on. Perfect micro dose ad well maybe try with some caapi or syrian root and orally ingest about 100mg of spice
Pharmaaya
There's a thread in the Nexus dedicated to it

@Greatful One
30 mg DMT:
Intake of 30 mg vaporized damp in 2-3 breaths is not possible for me. I'm very sensible with entheogen substances. Frankly I couldn't imagine what will happened if I could do it.
It seems also a problem with my volcano vaporizer, it fills a hole bag and I could not empty the hole bag in 20-30 secs.
But I have time, maybe I find a solution next week, next month...

The good thing about this: "This is not the end, it is just the beginning!". More is possible.

DMT World:
Maybe the question "what is real and what is not real?" is wrong (for me). As you mentioned, there will be no final answer.
Very interesting for me is what my brain is able to do under the influence of DMT. Even if the DMT World is just an illusion, it is so impressive, overwhelming and give a new point of view. Also it inspire my (basic) creation of art.
Thx for the link...

@Sachi
Thanks for the hint with caapi (Pharmaay). Currently I couldn't imagine to experience the DMT World more then 15 minutes. I smoked harmala together with spice and it slows down the otherwise rapid spice world. But it also extend the time and that was a little bit exhausting.

Aside from the kindergarden format, the theme is extremely recurrent: information is offered and could not be understood. With me its like code on the body, with another it's objects offered of extreme importance but what the hell is it? It leaves one feeling not worthy (?) receiving the "gifts" of intel, because we simply cannot understand what it means. It leaves us with an impression that the giver is of extreme evolved class of development.

There are also very recurrent normal night dream among different people, like finding on selves naked in public circumstances, not able to run away from a thread, being able to fly, ... , etc

It might be possible that a merely common psychological strokes are inducing quite the same core theme, in just another wrapping, in both night dreams and spice experiences.

If a giver is so called consciously evolved, should he/she/it not be able to know what is in reach of the receiver to cope with? For example I would not start explaining math differential equations to a goat because I know it cannot cope. How evolved are you when you would try nonetheless?

Leaves me thinking if the item of personal limitations being a source for dream-like experiences to fire back at us, like not being able to understand important information.
Just a guess.

BTW my regular night dreams have a different degree of true-ness also, some are clearly dream, others I remember of 20 years ago because they were so real. I even had a lucid dream asking myself: "Is this a dream?" inside my dream itself. I concluded it was no dream. Then later I woke up and smiled because my analysis inside the dream was wrong. There were no entheogens involved.

Maybe the gift is a riddle? Something to reflect? If DMT is a teacher it would make sense to me that we get, from time to time, a riddle.
In my situation it was like benevolent parent helping/teaching their children. But the DMT parents taking the appearance of childrens, maybe to make it easier for me.
And yes, the gap between "sender" (teacher) and "receiver" (me) shouldn't be giant.

Thx

Yes, I'm pretty sure the children aspect has a whole purpose on its own, I was not trying to minimalist that. The sum-riddle might be a composition like many meanings woven and bundled in one experience.

The riddle more important than the literal meaning, I dig that. What would have been in the code anyway, perhaps a hyperspace gossip joke?

We loike to look upon these ineffable gifts as seeds or seed syllable thingies that are now pocketed and will germinate when needed, pocketed in something like what the yogacarins called aalayavijñāna (storehouse consciousness/soul pocket)

so...yeah, during some our weird meditations we created some ourselfs, one, we called kushari.exe (after the gyptjun dish) aka 'the-truth-is-in-the-mess-of-it-all.exe. While this one is understood (we made it) they do not really need to be understood, the mind has to click on them....that's enough...(..we think)

Even tho, during one particular trip, we had the impression that all of us was destroyed by information, incl. kushari.exe and NOTHING was left, but it was just Dūraoša playing hide & seek with we.

I've had a couple experiences of kindergarten/classroom places. In one, a family greeted me in what seemed like a room pulsing with love, and the child of the family brought me a heart-shaped pillow looking thing. It seemed like a beautiful gift, and represented love. They all said goodbye to me in this sort of "See you again soon! Best of luck!" way.

That's interesting...very interesting! What was on the pillow? I see some similarities, does it mean something?


The kindergarten is my interpretation, because I saw
* two children's playing with the "ring ball"
* two young woman's stand behind the children
* a warm, light, beautiful, quite room
* some very colorful parts looking like toys
==> Must be a kindergarten

But something was strange with the situation:
* the children had to much wisdom for kids
* the room was too quite and sacred for a kindergarten

BTW, on my experiences I recognize that my brain still tries to match the vision to known objects. I fear this is very often misleading...

Thx