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#1 Posted : 3/30/2015 2:00:45 AM

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"We are not an aberration. We are a required oddness."

We are not outside of nature. We are the energy gathering aspect of the universal mind and consciousness. We have been tapped to produce an effect. The effect is to vastly accelerate how nature expresses itself. We are not separate. We are part of something inconceivable to the human mind. We are part of the expansion of the universe. The complexity of the universe summoned humans into existence for the purpose of acceleration of complexity.

Your mind is as infinite as the universe. Just as complex. Experience and intent is the heart of complexity for the universe and the human race. Evolving into something new. The consciousness of the universe is now and ever evolving, expanding and becoming more and more complex.

"In the universe there is an immeasurable, indescribable force which shamans call intent, and absolutely everything that exists in the entire cosmos is attached to intent by a connecting link." ~Carlos Castaneda
 

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didnof
#2 Posted : 3/30/2015 2:10:25 PM

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Very interesting beliefs, and also very thought provoking and feels a good theory of ‘what is’. I think a lot of this relates to the notion of the omnipresent, omnipotent, omnipowerful creator, does every bit of consciousness converge like droplets of water to form the ocean that is the creator? If so then surely the one consciousness experiencing theory must be true?

It may well be that the afterlife is so inconceivably different to how we possibly imagine it that trying to understand it is totally impossible from our human perspective - like the difference between waking consciousness and a profound DMT trip, but perhaps increasing exponentially. Coincidentally I was reading the below the other day which relates to this subject and will suitably bent my brain when trying to get my head around it:



“If you believe in cosmology and the big-bang, the current scientific theory is that the Universe at one point existed as a singularity and expanded in a big explosion called the Big Bang and thus formed the Universe.

Bear in mind, this is a theory but it gives us a starting point to examine the idea that a singularity can give rise to a multi-dimensional Universe.

What is a singularity? In geometrical terms a singularity is like the zero dimension or a point. It has no length, width or depth. The point in geometry is 0-dimensional.

As a singularity having no time, no space it likely only has a spin and angle which can actually give rise to the properties of to form a pattern which could lead to another type of expansion at an information level so lets examine how a singularity or a point can expand into the first, second, third dimension and so on.

As a physical system a point can either stretch into the first dimension, or it can self-replicate as more points, or it can move in any direction over and over again.

As an information system a point needs to produce another metric such as active/inactive or a spin. A binary state is more than enough to create {0/1} or {active/inactive} and store these states in the event-horizon which acts both as memory and information storage.

In the case of a big bang where every electron, photon et all co-existed in this singularity when they emerge we see properties of entanglement where two particles entangled with each other show the same measurement as if particle "b" knows what particle "a" is doing instantly over great distances. This is known as the EPR Paradox and is what Einstein coined as "Spooky Action from a Distance".

John Wheeler and Richard Feynman proposed a hypotheses called the "One Electron Universe" citing that the reason why every electron appears the same is that it is the same entity moving forwards and backwards in time creating a giant knot. It is interesting in singularity theory that a singularity could itself be the point moving forwards and back in time with itself to produce a larger informational manifold of space/time.

So keep this in mind, one electron entangled within space/time. One point either stretching, reproducing or moving. In the case of Wheeler's One Electron Universe the point as represented by the electron is moving to create the illusion of stretching or self-replication.

In all three cases, these actions produce the criteria for other dimensions. The first dimension being length, the second being width, the third being depth, the forth being the animated sequence of change, the fifth being probability and potentially more dimensions theoretically exist.

What we take from the geometrical manifold is that it's properties predict that a singularity must expand in such a way that space/time emerges based on the constraints of length, width, depth, change and probability.

Take for example Carl Sagan's take on Flatland to explain the 4th dimension.

And take this excellent illustrated video about 10 dimensions as another reference for what we observe in dimensional theory.

What does the first dimension allow for the point or singularity? It allows more information to exist. The information now can describe potentially infinite left/right distance in a spacial manifold. The point can be found traversing this length propping it up giving way to a larger informational potential.

When the point moves/stretches/replicates into the second dimension it now has exponentially more information it can produce. Instead of just a line, it can produce two dimensional patterns. Circles, Triangles, Squares and so on. A lot more information can appear on the 2nd dimensional maniford vs the zero and first. So much so that we can see beautiful illustrations as examples of how information can organize into complex patterns given just one more manifold to contain information.

When the point moves/stretches/replicates into the third dimension we suddenly have depth and distances between objects. The manifold takes on all our known properties of a third dimensional reality.

In order to observe change in any of these dimensions you need time which itself is the frame-rate of change between one frame of 3rd dimensional information. With time, you have past, present and future on a single time-line.

In Carl Sagan's flatland example, a third dimensional object passing through the second dimension can only be observed as second-dimensional information as it looses the property of depth. The second dimension can only see a slice of the third-dimension as there is no depth to describe the object. A cube becomes a square, it's depth is subtracted, very simple.

If we go back to quantum mechanics and superposition, we can see the shadow of the fifth-dimension (hopefully by now you are familiar with the shadow of the tesseract in Carl Sagan's flatland video ) and you know that in the third dimension we can only see the third-dimensional properties of other dimensions passing through it.

Superposition shows that a particle is a probability distribution when it produces an interference pattern. The interference pattern demonstrates fifth-dimensional properties of probability and yields some evidence that a fifth dimensional manifold exists for real. (Not in theory).

We know what can be described as information in the third-dimension, we live breath and experience reality from this constraint. An entire endless possibly infinite Universe can be contained with this level of information. But scale it down to the second, first and to the zero it looses information.

It is beneficial to the singularity to continue to progress into more and more dimensions because it will yeild far more potential information and states. A point in the fifth-dimension can now occupy many locations at once. The fifth-dimension can store not just one set of time-lines as limited by fourth-dimensional constraints.

By the time we get to the sixth dimension, the potential is so astronomical for what the geometrical manifolds can store as fifth dimensional information, that when we get to the sixth dimension which now can observe not just a single 4th dimensional time-line, but it can observe all fifth-dimensional time-lines and all the probable outcomes in each line.

The seventh dimension, the point becomes an infinite point (as per the video) meaning it contains all of the 0-6 dimensions and now we start seeing not just one Universe potential emerging as multiple universes can now start branching from this informational manifold. By the time we get to the 10th, an infinite number of universes can be contained and it appears what... a point.

So we begin from something very simple a point and how it moves into a multi-dimensional manifold and see how in theory a singularity or a point could in fact create the Universe, time and even a multi-verse.

What happens if we remove the point that is propping itself up into all these other dimensions? The manifolds all collapse back to a single point. It is the contraction of an expanded singularity into a geometrical manifold. To create a new universe all it has to do is repeat the process that allowed it to expand in the first place.

So why do we see little points and big points in our Universe? Why do little points, electrons, protons and other sub-atomic particles make up larger points such as atoms. Which then make up third-dimensional objects such as molecules, RNA/DNA to make up a cellular point which then makes up a body which itself is on top of a larger point, a planet which is a point circling a larger point, the sun which becomes a solar system that appears as a point of light in space that forms a galaxy which also forms a point in space?

This holographic recursion or fractal like nature is showing how everything is a part of everything else. That we exist in an interconnected reality system where everything is literally a part of everything else. For example, the carbon atom in your body could have been a carbon atom in a dinosaur.

The sunlight that was trapped as hydrocarbons by photosynthesis is now a part of your body, so a small part of the sun is already a part of you. We are no more separate from the Earth, than the Earth is separate from the solar system. The sun is no more separate from the Universe than the Universe is separate from reality.

Given enough time and entropy everything may collapse back into a singularity and be again one, or whole.

So how do we go from matter to awareness and see that awareness may also be a property of matter and itself a property of the singularity? Missing from cosmology is the idea that the singularity was self-aware.

In Bill Hicks muse, we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. In dimensional theory we are all one point that has expanded into multidimensional manifolds. To give rise to our awareness in this equation we just need to add the attribute of awareness to the point. The point exists, and is aware that it exists.

As more patterns emerge, the point may never be aware of the larger objects it's forming, and each object that forms has it's own larger awareness. It produces an awareness fractal by which all things big and small have a subjective self-awareness constrained by dimensional boundaries. Yet all awareness could still come from a single universal source... the singularity or point that started it all.”
 
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#3 Posted : 3/30/2015 7:32:35 PM

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Magnificent!
Inconsistency is in my nature.
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Synkromystic
#4 Posted : 3/30/2015 7:47:34 PM

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didnof wrote:
Very interesting beliefs, and also very thought provoking and feels a good theory of ‘what is’. I think a lot of this relates to the notion of the omnipresent, omnipotent, omnipowerful creator, does every bit of consciousness converge like droplets of water to form the ocean that is the creator? If so then surely the one consciousness experiencing theory must be true?

It may well be that the afterlife is so inconceivably different to how we possibly imagine it that trying to understand it is totally impossible from our human perspective - like the difference between waking consciousness and a profound DMT trip, but perhaps increasing exponentially. Coincidentally I was reading the below the other day which relates to this subject and will suitably bent my brain when trying to get my head around it:



“If you believe in cosmology and the big-bang, the current scientific theory is that the Universe at one point existed as a singularity and expanded in a big explosion called the Big Bang and thus formed the Universe.

Bear in mind, this is a theory but it gives us a starting point to examine the idea that a singularity can give rise to a multi-dimensional Universe.

What is a singularity? In geometrical terms a singularity is like the zero dimension or a point. It has no length, width or depth. The point in geometry is 0-dimensional.

As a singularity having no time, no space it likely only has a spin and angle which can actually give rise to the properties of to form a pattern which could lead to another type of expansion at an information level so lets examine how a singularity or a point can expand into the first, second, third dimension and so on.

As a physical system a point can either stretch into the first dimension, or it can self-replicate as more points, or it can move in any direction over and over again.

As an information system a point needs to produce another metric such as active/inactive or a spin. A binary state is more than enough to create {0/1} or {active/inactive} and store these states in the event-horizon which acts both as memory and information storage.

In the case of a big bang where every electron, photon et all co-existed in this singularity when they emerge we see properties of entanglement where two particles entangled with each other show the same measurement as if particle "b" knows what particle "a" is doing instantly over great distances. This is known as the EPR Paradox and is what Einstein coined as "Spooky Action from a Distance".

John Wheeler and Richard Feynman proposed a hypotheses called the "One Electron Universe" citing that the reason why every electron appears the same is that it is the same entity moving forwards and backwards in time creating a giant knot. It is interesting in singularity theory that a singularity could itself be the point moving forwards and back in time with itself to produce a larger informational manifold of space/time.

So keep this in mind, one electron entangled within space/time. One point either stretching, reproducing or moving. In the case of Wheeler's One Electron Universe the point as represented by the electron is moving to create the illusion of stretching or self-replication.

In all three cases, these actions produce the criteria for other dimensions. The first dimension being length, the second being width, the third being depth, the forth being the animated sequence of change, the fifth being probability and potentially more dimensions theoretically exist.

What we take from the geometrical manifold is that it's properties predict that a singularity must expand in such a way that space/time emerges based on the constraints of length, width, depth, change and probability.

Take for example Carl Sagan's take on Flatland to explain the 4th dimension.

And take this excellent illustrated video about 10 dimensions as another reference for what we observe in dimensional theory.

What does the first dimension allow for the point or singularity? It allows more information to exist. The information now can describe potentially infinite left/right distance in a spacial manifold. The point can be found traversing this length propping it up giving way to a larger informational potential.

When the point moves/stretches/replicates into the second dimension it now has exponentially more information it can produce. Instead of just a line, it can produce two dimensional patterns. Circles, Triangles, Squares and so on. A lot more information can appear on the 2nd dimensional maniford vs the zero and first. So much so that we can see beautiful illustrations as examples of how information can organize into complex patterns given just one more manifold to contain information.

When the point moves/stretches/replicates into the third dimension we suddenly have depth and distances between objects. The manifold takes on all our known properties of a third dimensional reality.

In order to observe change in any of these dimensions you need time which itself is the frame-rate of change between one frame of 3rd dimensional information. With time, you have past, present and future on a single time-line.

In Carl Sagan's flatland example, a third dimensional object passing through the second dimension can only be observed as second-dimensional information as it looses the property of depth. The second dimension can only see a slice of the third-dimension as there is no depth to describe the object. A cube becomes a square, it's depth is subtracted, very simple.

If we go back to quantum mechanics and superposition, we can see the shadow of the fifth-dimension (hopefully by now you are familiar with the shadow of the tesseract in Carl Sagan's flatland video ) and you know that in the third dimension we can only see the third-dimensional properties of other dimensions passing through it.

Superposition shows that a particle is a probability distribution when it produces an interference pattern. The interference pattern demonstrates fifth-dimensional properties of probability and yields some evidence that a fifth dimensional manifold exists for real. (Not in theory).

We know what can be described as information in the third-dimension, we live breath and experience reality from this constraint. An entire endless possibly infinite Universe can be contained with this level of information. But scale it down to the second, first and to the zero it looses information.

It is beneficial to the singularity to continue to progress into more and more dimensions because it will yeild far more potential information and states. A point in the fifth-dimension can now occupy many locations at once. The fifth-dimension can store not just one set of time-lines as limited by fourth-dimensional constraints.

By the time we get to the sixth dimension, the potential is so astronomical for what the geometrical manifolds can store as fifth dimensional information, that when we get to the sixth dimension which now can observe not just a single 4th dimensional time-line, but it can observe all fifth-dimensional time-lines and all the probable outcomes in each line.

The seventh dimension, the point becomes an infinite point (as per the video) meaning it contains all of the 0-6 dimensions and now we start seeing not just one Universe potential emerging as multiple universes can now start branching from this informational manifold. By the time we get to the 10th, an infinite number of universes can be contained and it appears what... a point.

So we begin from something very simple a point and how it moves into a multi-dimensional manifold and see how in theory a singularity or a point could in fact create the Universe, time and even a multi-verse.

What happens if we remove the point that is propping itself up into all these other dimensions? The manifolds all collapse back to a single point. It is the contraction of an expanded singularity into a geometrical manifold. To create a new universe all it has to do is repeat the process that allowed it to expand in the first place.

So why do we see little points and big points in our Universe? Why do little points, electrons, protons and other sub-atomic particles make up larger points such as atoms. Which then make up third-dimensional objects such as molecules, RNA/DNA to make up a cellular point which then makes up a body which itself is on top of a larger point, a planet which is a point circling a larger point, the sun which becomes a solar system that appears as a point of light in space that forms a galaxy which also forms a point in space?

This holographic recursion or fractal like nature is showing how everything is a part of everything else. That we exist in an interconnected reality system where everything is literally a part of everything else. For example, the carbon atom in your body could have been a carbon atom in a dinosaur.

The sunlight that was trapped as hydrocarbons by photosynthesis is now a part of your body, so a small part of the sun is already a part of you. We are no more separate from the Earth, than the Earth is separate from the solar system. The sun is no more separate from the Universe than the Universe is separate from reality.

Given enough time and entropy everything may collapse back into a singularity and be again one, or whole.

So how do we go from matter to awareness and see that awareness may also be a property of matter and itself a property of the singularity? Missing from cosmology is the idea that the singularity was self-aware.

In Bill Hicks muse, we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. In dimensional theory we are all one point that has expanded into multidimensional manifolds. To give rise to our awareness in this equation we just need to add the attribute of awareness to the point. The point exists, and is aware that it exists.

As more patterns emerge, the point may never be aware of the larger objects it's forming, and each object that forms has it's own larger awareness. It produces an awareness fractal by which all things big and small have a subjective self-awareness constrained by dimensional boundaries. Yet all awareness could still come from a single universal source... the singularity or point that started it all.”



Great quote...Where did that quote come from?
 
didnof
#5 Posted : 3/31/2015 7:53:38 AM

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Hi Synkromystic,

First I'll explain how I got to the quote, the 'one consciousness experiencing itself' theory was occupying my thoughts the other day to the point where I decided to do a google search and see if there were any reputable links or articles relating to it. I had a look and this link was one of the first hits:

http://www.godlikeproduc...2773729/pg1?disclaimer=1

You need to click accept to get to the message, no registration needed.

With it being a forum, and what appeared to be a bible bashing type forum I was just about to click the back button when I started reading the first few lines. The more I read the more it intrigued me and in the end I found it to be one of the most interesting summaries of the whole existence/consciousness/dimension theory, especially as it portrays them all intertwined and it reads very well and is quite believable, it certainly fits with my way of thinking anyway.

So in the end it is just a regular guy like ourselves hypothesising over what might be, my first thought was that it was surprising how this guy discusses a lot of the things we tend to discuss in our threads, and my second thought was that this guy really needs to try DMT!

Interestingly, if you read on that thread, he discusses a pre-cognitive dream relating to winter and tyres on his car, very interesting indeed.
 
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#6 Posted : 3/31/2015 4:22:18 PM

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Thanks for the info didnof.
 
 
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