Hey A week ago i had a bit of an experience that i don't feel i've fully recovered from yet I'm always pretty careful about things i eat. Acid is acid and what can you do, but no pills only ever measured md, etc.. i do what i can to make sure i know what's going on anyway, i've been sitting on some dxm powder and thought what the hell, might give it a go. The whole thing was a little dodgy how it came about but i didn't give that enough credit. So anyway i took 800mg of dxm (erowid: heavy dose 500-1000mg), was a little drunk (maybe 6 beers) and snorted 80mg of md. Smoked plenty of dope too. I didn't know but apparantly dxm has a slight maoi effect and that probably potentiated the md to some extent. so i don't really remember a thing from that night, according to my friends i had a fit of some sort. The next day i felt pretty dumb, like my intelligence had taken a pounding, but like i said i don't remember a thing from the whole night the next night i took 20mg of 2C-E, again i didn't read anywhere near enough about this one, it was a gift and having tried 2cb a few times i didn't think much of it. It kicked in real slow (had a real full stomach - bad idea) and at the three hour mark i started peaking a too hard, had a joint and that just made things worse. This is what happened to me, Body temperature rise Blurred vision Rapid heart rate Massively increased blood pressure Ringing in the ears Pins and needles etc.. I started getting the most rediculous deja vu i've ever had, one after another and i could will it no worries. I realised that everything i was remember was from last night and this eerie sense came over me (lol or was i just tripping?) sorry, i'm taking ages back to the point i took drugs i didn't know enough about and something went wrong. I trip plenty so i know how to differentiate, and unfortunately there was something really wrong here. I tried to wait it out but the pressure, ringing ears, and pins and needles, and blurred vision really started to worry me - i've never thought i was going to die, and the fact that i was peaking on 2ce wasn't helping. Eitherway i made the call, and ended up at the hospital no pity for the fool, they weren't terribly sympathising (hehe except the tripper nurse lady, she likes her acid it seems) so that was all kind of fucked up Since then my head doesn't feel right, my thought-space feels empty. Not like when your stoned and you feel cloudy, this is like a clear sky but there's nothing happening up there. One of my heaviest dmt trips ever i lost everything, memory being the fundamental one. This meant i had no language, i lost the ability to 'comprehend' anything, i was nothing but a finite piece of energy without a mind. I remember saying to myself 'i didn't even know what a thought was'. and to some extent, that's how my head has felt for the last week And when i smoke a joint (like 10 minutes ago) my heart starts racing, i get this wierd coldness / hotness in my chest and head, and *maybe* that blood pressure thing (but i think that's just me stressing over it) eessh, do you think i fucked something? or am i just a little confused? (i'm thinking of taking a fair dose of acid and basically meditating the whole way through it, to really get into myself and see what i can sort out) here's a few 2CE comments from wiki my thought is that perhaps the dxm potentiated the 2CE and effectively i had quite a high dose - i always eat more than my friends, i'll start with two or three blotters and they go one, 140mg md standard, smoke more, etc... etc.. and i was finding it far harder to handle the 2CE than my friend) [quote:96cf22764c]A few users of very high doses have reported "never feeling the same again" after having used this drug.[/quote:96cf22764c] Like i said, dxm potentiated the 2ce to a high dose? [quote:96cf22764c]users of higher doses have compared its open-eye visuals with those produced by LSD[/quote:96cf22764c] I remember eating 6 grams of cubes, 3 grams of subs, and three blotters (all started at the same time) plus a fair md hit, that was visual (especially when the dmt came out lol) but not even close to the 2ce business [quote:96cf22764c]2C-E's body load is a highly unusual one. Several users have described it, roughly, as a "profound feeling of general discomfort"... ...and an accompanying feeling of "disconnection from one's digestive tract".[/quote:96cf22764c] lol yeah you could say that i couldn't sit still and the stomach thing was fucked, but further to that the symptoms i mention above fucked with me so bad that i actually called 000 - i have never even come close to this, even on a 9 gram sub dose where i lost visual recognition and motor control i still knew i was cool, but like i said here i knew something was really wrong [quote:96cf22764c]2C-E is an incredibly powerful chemical and should not be taken lightly. It is not a "party drug", and rarely should it be used for "recreation".[/quote:96cf22764c] That's from urban dictionary very true though Given all this, it's an extremely interesting compound that i look forward to trying again, and i suggest you all give it a go if you get the opportunity I really just want to know what you might thing about this residual nothingness and joint-triggered heart thing i seem to have now... Thanks for you time be safe

You guys are impressive ! I guess you asked too much to your liver (beer, DXM etc...) and it has a hard job to wash things. Let it have some rest

Hello Man that’s quite the combo there. I am not a Dr this is not medical advice. That said in my opinion you just have not fully recovered I would wait another week max and if you see no improvement go to the Dr. I would not partake in any sacraments until you are fully recovered. If you do it may increase the discomfort you are feeling now. It may also make you feel better but is it worth the risk? I hope you feel better soon. And be careful M.V.

liver hey.. shit i didn't even think about that guy I was thinking a little last night, i wonder how much of it is just in my head. Does my heart start doing funny things because i'm stressing about it, or does my heart do funny things and then i worry about it? Eitherway i'm thinking a lot about it.. HPPD might be a real thing here too, even last night there was a lot of closed and open eye shit going on just from a few joints I guess i'd really like to hear from someone who went through something similar Like i said, even the doctor at the hospital hadn't even heard of most of this stuff, i think what i need is a real good psychedelic doctor.. any recommendations?

Coschi you are hard as nails. And that is some fucked up shit and I know where you are coming from on the recovery worries. I don't mean to scare you but it took me months to get back to normal and years to sort out the psychological injury from a drug induced mental and physical trauma. I couldn't smoke a joint or take shrooms for years without getting into a crazy disjointed vertigo/panic. If there was one thing I would love to have told myself before it happened was slow down because its not a race. Don't get back on the horse too soon, take a rest do some exercise and yoga or meditation and ease yourself back in. I found low dose mescaline and DMT (not combined) worked really well in the healing proccess but this was 4-5 years after the event.

Mixing some drugs can really fuck up you brain dude. It's a delicate and fine tuned system you have up there and you can't do just whatever to it and then be surprised when things seem fuckt up afterwards! Like Fable I needed years to recover from shit like this. And actually my central nervous system will never fully recover. Today I have to be super careful what I put into my system. Just take it easy for a while and eat healthy and you'll be fine. Hopefully soon.

guys, i know it's my own fault that's why i'm quite so pissed off about it. i've got a few people around me that would put anything into themselves just for kicks, and great go ahead do what you want but i'd never treat my body with such little respect as them i like to eat plenty of acid because it's good for you likewise with mushrooms and dmt i get a fair sense that these things (oh and mescaline) are not really bad at all, and any changes they cause in a person are OK (perhaps, unless that person was never build to comprehend certain things) - but mostly ok but, just that dxm i really don't know about. it's got an aura and not a good one, i knew it from the beginning and i didn't give my sense of sensibility enough credit. things i do may seem reckless, perhaps even if only because you wouldn't do them yourselves, but i know in myself that they're ok.. until that one shit dudes.. years? i guess i'm just justifying now.. at the same time, i don't quite get it. my heart is fine now, but if i smoke a joint it goes crazy.. what's changed? my heart is the same heart.. i really think it's 95% in my head, a self-induced psychosomatic response i now have to deal with, but similarly i can get in there and fix things don't you think? mushrooms.. they'll kick the shit out of me, i know it but i'm just thinking oral dmt and 5 hours of meditation.. if there ever was a tool to do it, dmt would be it or perhaps i should just listen to you guys thanks fellas, be well

Hey man, If you get the heart racing from smoking a joint why dont you do some meditation (first) smoke a joint and when your heart starts racing do some more deep breathing and meditation to get it under control. When you have it under control move on from there. Baby steps my friend. Like someone said before, its not a race. If you get your heart under control from smoking pot you know that you have killed that part of the psychosomatic response before going deeper. Good luck mate.

[quote:228bde47be="Coschi"] I really think it's 95% in my head, a self-induced psychosomatic response i now have to deal with, but similarly i can get in there and fix things don't you think? mushrooms.. they'll kick the shit out of me, i know it but i'm just thinking oral dmt and 5 hours of meditation.. if there ever was a tool to do it, dmt would be it or perhaps i should just listen to you guys thanks fellas, be well [/quote:228bde47be] Absolutely 95% psychosomatic no doubt about it. Think how powerful the brain is at affecting the body and the amazing changes that can occur just through thought. Now somewhere in your subconscious the fight or flight response has associated tasty yummy gear with dissociated madness and possible death. It really wants to stay "not mad" and "not dead" so now if it tastes the yummy gear it goes into survival mode which manifests itself as a panic attack or vertigo or physical reactions like increased heartrate. BTW these are all my personal thoughts based on my experience. Experiences may vary and I am a notorious light weight and always have been. I totally believe that the oral DMT could be the answer but I havn't tried it yet. Anyway I believe that my upcoming Aya journey (counting down the weeks now) will help to purge the trauma and ease any unfounded fears of death. I really am hoping for a psychedelic rebirth and healing session which is what this particular journey is all about. Keep the chin up, there is no need to stray from the path just take more time to stop and smell the roses. Stay well.

Coshi, I guess that 800 mg pure powder DXM is a quite high dose. SWIM's worst bad trip was with too much DXM for him and it last hours. Even few days later he had vision problems. To not speak about anxiety and panic attack that lasted months... So DXM + all other stuff... huh

round two, this was even scarier than the first: call me an idiot, but this needed to be done last night i ate some acid everything was going cool (fantastic in fact) till about the six hour mark where i smoked a big joint to myself, and it started again the panic shortness of breath pins and needles blurred vision heart palpitations numbness DEJA VU just like before!!! etc... this one lasted even longer than the last (although i controlled it - with the help of a xanax (thankyou b)) it took about four hours of solitude but i got through it. Once again i felt like i could die right then and there During the four hours i was trying to regulate my body with thought (thankyou acid), i got it to a point of control but the discomfort was again something i've NEVER felt before (except for a week ago) My night was pretty standard, a lot of introspect, a lot of thinking, a lot of real nice colours everything was cool, until the panic Four hours of anguish, hell, feelings of death Eitherway you get the point Well i hope you do, you have to understand that these 'panic attacks' (at least i now think that's what they are) are something i've never experienced before in my life, and all of a sudden now i'll smoke a joint and my body goes into this overdrive mode. i'm not shitting you, the heart palpitations were soooooo bad, i could feel my circulation fucked up all over my body, organs twitching in pain, veins like their going to burst. It wasn't the acid 100% guarantee that, this was body bullshit (i just reinforce the intensity of the attack to let you guys know that it's not a little racing heart, a little shortness of breath; this was four hours of what felt like borderline death) So end the stupidity At the four hour mark my heart returns to normal, my breathing becomes regular again, and i give it another hour for my body to regain some strength and feeling (the numbness.. eeesssh!) About another three hours later and i fall asleep (i was trying to the whole time) This is where it gets strange, my dream, i never dream on acid, i never dream on dope (and i've been smoking regular enough to have little to no dream-recollection for at least the last six months) - plus i was exhausted, not much sleep the night before, and all that bullshit with my body it felt like it just needed a big fucking rest SOOOO my dream, i relived the ENTIRE DXM TRIP in my dream, It involved a rabbit called Mr. Edwardo - my advisor Another animal i can't remember what it was - a fucker threat And a bear (female name, can't remember) - the boss I wish i could remember/explain the whole thing for you but here's what i remember now: I was in a high tech car and on my way for a mental inspection of some sort. I was sick, incredibly sick, constantly on the verge of vomiting, etc.. I have some kind of recorder where i kept drawings and voice recordings of different aspects of the day. The whole thing involved tunneling down a huge fortress of some kind (not very stable - the walls were made of what seemed like water pipes) etc... etc... etc... *sorry, wish i could explain it all better* At the end, Mr Edwardo came to see me, i knew the news wasn't good He began to explain until the neighbours started fucking with us (throwing things over the walls) - they stopped with the entrance of the second animal - a dolphin i remember! - but his presence was quickly not so important with the entrance of the bear. The bear chased me and chased me until he cornered me, he told me i have to die The details are sketchy, but in my head they're all there I think the details don't matter too much.. what matters is that the entire dream/dxm trip was fucking terrifying, so terrifying that perhaps i initially surpressed it and the next night (2CE) it started to subconsciously come back somewhat (that fucking deja vu) which triggered my newfound response - panic attack. again last night, deja fucking vu (we've all had it, but i've never had it like this, it's like i've lived everything already, and the whole night on the acid i was getting it) - perhaps again last night subconsciously the dxm experience started to come through and my body responded with a panic attack? this morning i woke up feeling exhausted and still have cramps all over my body NO PITY FOR THE FOOL fyi, for whatever reason (my own) i HAD to try this acid but fuck i didn't have to smoke that joint to be honest i've always been about pushing the boundaries, it's tough and terrifying sometimes but as dumb as i may sound i don't regret it So my general feeling from all this is: [b:ecd78eb4cf]DXM[/b:ecd78eb4cf]: worst fucking nightmare ever. So bad that now even the subconscious thought of it triggers panic attacks [b:ecd78eb4cf]2CE experience[/b:ecd78eb4cf]: Perhaps it wasn't a drug interaction at all? Get this: from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_attack [quote:ecd78eb4cf]Others, notably first time suffers, [b:ecd78eb4cf][u:ecd78eb4cf]may even call for emergency services[/b:ecd78eb4cf][/u:ecd78eb4cf]; many who experience a panic attack for the first time fear they are having a heart attack.[/quote:ecd78eb4cf] [quote:ecd78eb4cf]A panic attack is a response of the sympathetic nervous system (SNS). The most common symptoms may include: trembling, dyspnea (shortness of breath), heart palpitations, chest pain (or chest tightness), sweating, nausea, dizziness (or slight vertigo), light-headedness, hyperventilation, paresthesias (tingling sensations), sensations of choking or smothering or derealization, or the feeling that nothing is real [i:ecd78eb4cf]::could this be what i think the deja vu is?:::[/i:ecd78eb4cf] These physical symptoms are interpreted with alarm in people prone to panic attacks. This results in increased anxiety, and forms a positive feedback loop.[/quote:ecd78eb4cf] [quote:ecd78eb4cf]First, there is frequently (but not always) the sudden onset of fear with little provoking stimulus. This leads to a release of adrenaline (epinephrine) which brings about the so-called fight-or-flight response wherein the person's body prepares for strenuous physical activity. This leads to an increased heart rate (tachycardia), rapid breathing (hyperventilation) which may be perceived as shortness of breath (dyspnea), and sweating (which increases grip and aids heat loss). Because strenuous activity rarely ensues, the hyperventilation leads to a drop in carbon dioxide levels in the lungs and then in the blood. This leads to shifts in blood pH (respiratory alkalosis), which in turn can lead to many other symptoms, such as tingling or numbness, dizziness, burning and lightheadedness. Moreover, the release of adrenaline during a panic attack causes vasoconstriction resulting in slightly less blood flow to the head which causes dizziness and lightheadedness.[/quote:ecd78eb4cf] I think it was a panic attack There is one other lingering effect though: Think that every time you want to put a thought together, you need a pen and a paper. I feel like i've lost my paper.. Where this comes from i'm not sure, but i'm not sure it's a bad thing i got a sence that it has to do with the reason i could 'will' my dmt friends to appear (recurring theme - baby eyes behind vine leaves.. wtf?). also i feel more spontaneous, like you're forced to on a dmt breakthrough - by spontaneous i mean i can't think, so i just have to exist if that makes sense. Eitherway i feel more connected with my psychedelic self, like a realisation has occured; now that i realise this thing i can use it.. Or maybe i'm just trying to make the worst of a bad situation.. i'm always the optimist [b:ecd78eb4cf]Acid experience[/b:ecd78eb4cf]: as above, same thing: the attack that is the fact that i dreamed the entire dxm trip? I spent the entire night pretty much by myself (there were other people there but i had no intention of connecting with them (how can a head full of acid connect to a junky? - it's a sad story, perhaps for another day) - this acid trip was for me, and for me to think about things in my life at the moment.. i guess it brought on a state of total clarity (i would 'will' my dmt-life friends.. open eye or closed eye didn't matter, the room was full of them - what the FUCK are tryptamines? essence of life is all i can think..) and, i'm 99% sure that it wasn't just a wierd dream, it was undoubtably the dxm trip Now is the time i take a step back and perhaps not put myself through that again, at least not until i go see a doctor dxm trip is now repressed terror it seems, what about some kind of hypnotherapy? Hey hey thankyou for you concern I'm not here for pity or anything like that either; i do think it's important that other people hear about this experience though i'm not sure if it's a bad thing, but i wouldn't wish this upon anybody ps, although it may not seem it (recklessness) i am deeply concerned with this whole thing, but fucking intrigued at the same time.. what did i do!!??? Garulflo..... garulflo! I don't know what to say.. shock how long did it last? how did you get over it?

man that's some crazy stuff. Makes one not want to get into the 2c-e that's sitting in these gel caps, lol. Sounds like you just had a bit too much, i would take a long break from doing anything, and let your mind and body recover and heal itself. Taking acid or smoking weed right now is just putting more pressure on your already suffering and damaged system. chill out...take a break...and get well soon!

I can comfortably say WILL DO lol EAT IT !!! really, it's good I don't think the 2C-E did anything except open me up more, i even felt it on the acid, the connection is something i'm comfortable with it's hard to explain but with i first broke through with dmt there was this intense sense of familiarity, not like this deja vu thing, but just a real comfort and intimate connection between my essence and my new-found / forever-known dmt friends. After the 2C-E i feel closer and more connected to them, not a bad thing at all these trypta-entities are undoubtably our friends with good intentions just don't eat any dxm, that's just my opinion and don't dose higher than 20mg 2ce!! i severly underestimated that stuff but- don't dose too low, having a kinda nothing experience is always disappointing

[quote:733590e3fc]how long did it last? how did you get over it?[/quote:733590e3fc] DXM triggered a huge death feeling. Similar to DMT but with infinite sadness. SWIM 'resisted' few months but he had to take some classic anti-depressant substance. DMT helped him a LOT also.

Coschi you should try some GABA gamma amino butyric acid, its a neurotransmitter and it reduces anxiety. Maybe you exhausted something that needs recharging and I think GABA is great for keeping things ultra relaxed and calm for the recharging to occur. Its not expensive or hard to get and definitely worth a try.

Coschi It's interesting to read this, i recently went through something similar (in a way). Hopefully i can offer some hope, as i don't think it will take me years to return to normal. (Not I obviously, but SWIM). Sometime in the near past i went on an all-out psychedelic bender of sorts. Friday night i took 5 hits of some strong (albeit dirty) acid, 2 excellent beans (MDMA), and went through about a half a gram of DMT. Never went to sleep. Next night i took 5 Lortab 10's, one xanax bar, drank heavily and smoked some more DMT. I also smoke weed heavily. Got some sleep that night, then Sunday: Spent the day drinking, smoking, and taking bars, and at some point decided i "needed" to trip. That night i remember taking a good bit of syrian rue, HBWR seeds, voaconga (sp?), ate and smoked DMT, and the last thing i remember is snorting about a tenth. Close to a gram of spice in all. I blacked out for nearly two days (~40 hrs). People said i was incoherent, somewhat hostile, and just clearly out of my mind. This is probably 24 hours after starting the initial trip. Now, granted i am bipolar, and really shouldn't be doing this sort of thing (as if anyone should). But my point is, we can push our minds only so far before they give under the pressure. I don't think yours is broken or anything (mine is nearly back to normal), you just need time for your chemicals, and connections to reset. It's hard for them to do that if you keep interupting the process. Try some 5-HTP. Seratonin could be all fudged up. Someone else suggested GABA, that might help. Most of all just get some good sleep, eat well, drink water, and rest, and i guarantee you'll be fine. As for the weed thing, i'd have to agree with others have said. It just sounds like while you were tripping, the weed got mixed up with all those negative symptoms and a new imprint was made. Thus, everytime you smoke weed it's essentially a flashback to that experience. It might go away on it's own, or you can try and reverse the imprint that was made (i.e. make a new happy one). But don't try this yet. Rest for now.

Garulfo, how did dmt help you? Smoked or oral dosing? to be honest at the moment i'm pretty tentative to even smoke a joint, let alone a big hit of dmt! argh jeez couldn't you imagine if a panic attack comes during the breakthrough?? Fable, i've got some GABA powder, but I was under the impression it doesn't really do anything as it can't cross the blood-brain barrier? hmm.. what dose and frequency do you think? How about phenibut in that case? that definitely sounds like a fair psych bender there DZ 5-HTP has fucked me around in the past, i really don't like it.. perhaps some straight tryptophan might be better (i remember something about 5-HTP; being the direct precursor to serotonin, that's essentially all your system can use it for.. this can throw things out of balance though as something things something something perhaps your regulatory tryptamines need to be in proportion to eachother.. ?) Eitherway, i'm going to see a doctor soon, i'll report back what he says take care people oh.. DZ [quote83d4aae49]Now, granted i am bipolar, and really shouldn't be doing this sort of thing ([b83d4aae49]as if anyone should[/b83d4aae49])[/quote83d4aae49] Don't be taken in by 'common' sense fuck what the majority of people think cannabis, magic mushrooms, cactus, etc... exist on this earth, they have come to exist through evolution and equilibrium as we need fruit trees to eat, we need psychoactives to trip we should ALL be doing these things SO EAT UP!!

[quote:2ed41b0ba1="Coschi"] Fable, i've got some GABA powder, but I was under the impression it doesn't really do anything as it can't cross the blood-brain barrier? hmm.. what dose and frequency do you think? How about phenibut in that case? cannabis, magic mushrooms, cactus, etc... exist on this earth, they have come to exist through evolution and equilibrium as we need fruit trees to eat, we need psychoactives to trip we should ALL be doing these things SO EAT UP!! [/quote:2ed41b0ba1] Coschi I tried some GABA just a small dose to start with 1/8 th of a tsp so 200mg ish and whether or not it crosses the blood brain barrier or not, I have not been this calm and anxiety free for years. A little bit every day is awesome but every second or third day is fine. Seriously give it a go and see if it works for you, I knew within 2 days that it worked for me as my peak hour traffic anxiety/rage was gone by the end of my first cup of tea at work rather than my last cup before bedtime. Oh and re the comment on the earthly delights, you are a champ, my sentiments exactly.

[quote:1f6a59354e]Garulfo, how did dmt help you? Smoked or oral dosing? [/quote:1f6a59354e] Well, it did'nt helped me because I do not consume illegal spice, but a friend who by definition is'nt me, told me that a low smoked dose everyday (~20 mg in two trips) seems having a very calming and relaxing effect for the long term. He wonder tough if it is affecting is overall energy, feeling himself less 'performant'... [quote:1f6a59354e]to be honest at the moment i'm pretty tentative to even smoke a joint, let alone a big hit of dmt! argh jeez couldn't you imagine if a panic attack comes during the breakthrough?? [/quote:1f6a59354e] My friend can really imagine it Pure hell For what I know 5-htp is interresting for depressive people, which is quite different than anxiety/panic attack. I tried 5-htp without any positive effect. That GABA thing seems interresting tough.

Phenibut is good. Better than GABA, but i don't know where to get it except online.