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spiritualascension
#1 Posted : 10/14/2014 8:53:11 AM
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Recently my wife realised she was drugged with ayahuasca muffins when she was 17 and explained that she had 2 of her friends in the trip with her.

Physically they had taken/eaten muffins also and where in the immediate area (camp site) during the onset.

In the trip for the most part they where passive and just leading/coaxing her higher through "the levels" as she described them but the higher levels started to induce a build up of pressure in her head that was getting painful and she started to resist but her friends began pushing her onward to the point where they where dragging her kicking and screaming as she felt they where dragging her to her death (which I believe a breakthrough to be essentially).
She fought hard to the point where they released her and moved on higher through the levels and left her behind not before taking her to the lower levels where she relaxed and slept until they picked her up on the way back down.
She remembers seeing her body and then re entering it but she was in a car and hours had passed since the first dose.

As she was an unwilling participant it is very feasible that she induced this negative experience herself but we wanted to know
Have you had friends or other people in your trip?

Or heard or seen of any such occurrence?

Also have they had any control in the(your)trip?
 

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#2 Posted : 10/14/2014 11:16:21 AM

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second thread in a week where someone was given an ayahuasca muffin without their knowing.

kind of hard to believe.
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#3 Posted : 10/14/2014 12:33:22 PM

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Yeah..your wife must have started the other thread(?) here and many wise and experienced Nexians shared how it is extremely unlikely and that a potent cannabis infused muffin or any food product can produce an extremely powerful and deep psychedelic experience.

I have personally experienced something similar on a high dose of orally ingested cannabis. I experienced a deep out of body experience and was very psychedelic.

The idea of an ayahuasca muffin seems quite illogical, but I suppose not impossible. Yet, it still sounds very much like an oral cannabis journey.

Has she experienced DMT before or making the assumption because she hasn't experienced something that powerful before?
Because I'll tell you, ayshuasca/DMT isn't you're grandmas Sunday muffin.. Embarrased
 
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#4 Posted : 10/15/2014 12:40:58 AM
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regardless of all that, I asked a question and no answer to it has been given instead discredit has been given.

I am not sure if you're discounting my wifes usage of psyches and other drugs/medicines or dont believe there is a way of making muffins or both but my wife has had LSD, mescaline, hash, mushrooms, MDMA and various others but that short list will do to give you perspective.

and here is the muffin recipe if you dont believe that's possible (as the "grandmas sunday muffin" remark suggests) http://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Ayahuasca_Cupcakes

I questioned her heavily about the experience as did other DMT users and it sounded just like it and not hash but we have not had a hash experience remotely close to her encounter but this debate is only derailing the topic away from my question.
All due respect, if you wish to debate that side by all means go for it on the other thread, I just would like helpful info/discussion around my question thanks.
 
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#5 Posted : 10/15/2014 5:17:54 AM

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Is that recipe relying on chocolate as the MAOI for the ayahuasca? I've heard mimosa can be active on its own but I highly doubt it without added beta-carbolines. Chocolate alone can't enable it.

As for seeing friends in the trip, whatever it was on, I totally believe her. In several of my vaped DMT experiences, avatars of specific humans have appeared. Sometimes I don't recognize them, but a couple of times they were close friends. The first time, a good psychonaut friend of mine faded in, out of the darkness of my closed eyes, dancing to the music that was playing. He was bobbing and swaying with the beat, twisting and turning to the groove. He looked right at me, grinning, nodding with his whole head, face and eyebrows like "yeahh, man, this is really happenin'!" Gave me a huge wave of comfort and reassurance as I practically burst out laughing.

I've had two telepathic experiences with this friend, too, on separate ayahuasca sessions. Kind of hard to explain them; was an unintentional and fleeting phenomenon. It wasn't that we were reading each other's thoughts, but having the same thoughts at the same moment. The second time, he was playing guitar while I was writing and rocking to the music. During a twang, I felt this energy in my body that I let loose as a shoulder shrug. It immediately felt familiar as the exact shrugging gesture that I've witnessed belong to my friend's personality. Startled, I stop what I'm doing to turn around. In that moment my friend sitting behind me guffaws, as he saw me and understood what just happened. Being the second time, though years later, we both shared excited sounds of astonishment but didn't have to speak our minds to know we just connected. It was actually happening more subtly between a lot of us that night; we were taking it in a group of 7. Everyone was highly aware of each other and holding a compassionate mindset which allowed for this feedback of energy and information. Ayahuasca is incredible.

The other time that I saw a friend in a vaped dmt trip I was sitting at my desk preparing myself when the friend messaged me on facebook. I've tripped with this friend several times, dmt included. At some point in the conversation I put on some music that they just made and uploaded, some alternative acoustic songs. I decided it was a good time to pause and do the hits while I listened to their music. It was a strong, seemingly loong trip that the music animated greatly. The sound of my friend's voice produced a tangible presence, I could feel their energy. At some point, similarly to the first time, this friend popped out of the nether and began grooving to the music. The image of them captured their personality and behavior perfectly as they danced, especially since they also created the music! I could see so many parallels between his sound and his physical energy.

Both of my friends are probably better people than I in many ways; I think their presence in my trips was a mechanism to get me to trust in myself and the experience more. Their dancing was like they were trying to entice me to do what they were doing and flow with the rhythm, as cheesy as that all sounds. Similarly to how your wife's friends were egging her to follow to a higher 'level'. Denying that trust and resisting is the only way you're guaranteed a rough ride in these experiences. I can't blame her resistance though, being 17 and dosed unknowingly. She would probably be mature enough to explore it deeper and enjoyably if she were to try it again willingly.
 
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#6 Posted : 10/15/2014 7:15:59 AM

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With all due respect, your wife's contention is ludicrous. What is it based on? Her interpretation of other peoples' experience descriptions? Has whoever gave her this mystery muffin come forward and confessed to drugging her with ayahuasca? If not, you should really resist the urge to jump to preposterous conclusions.
 
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#7 Posted : 10/15/2014 11:57:52 AM

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spiritualascension wrote:
regardless of all that, I asked a question and no answer to it has been given instead discredit has been given.

I am not sure if you're discounting my wifes usage of psyches and other drugs/medicines or dont believe there is a way of making muffins or both but my wife has had LSD, mescaline, hash, mushrooms, MDMA and various others but that short list will do to give you perspective.

and here is the muffin recipe if you dont believe that's possible (as the "grandmas sunday muffin" remark suggests) http://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Ayahuasca_Cupcakes

I questioned her heavily about the experience as did other DMT users and it sounded just like it and not hash but we have not had a hash experience remotely close to her encounter but this debate is only derailing the topic away from my question.
All due respect, if you wish to debate that side by all means go for it on the other thread, I just would like helpful info/discussion around my question thanks.


My apologies for offending you or your wife, that was never my intenion. I am also not "discrediting" any bit of her experience. Im just not sure why so defensive about it being an "ayahuasca muffin" when you both truly dont know and discount most everyones suggestions and input on the Nexus. She could've been on a sugar high and experienced all that and still doesnt discredit or make her expetience any less "real" or meaningful. Why does it HAVE to be DMT so badly??

It doesnt matter how much psychedelic experience someone has, all journies can differ quite a bit, especially DMT.

Also, i did share that I had a similar experience on a potent oral cannabis journey l. Totally out of body and in an almost dream world with people. It was wild.

Again, not trying to discredit anyone, thats not what the Nexus is about at all, i am simply sharing my experince and thoughts on the subject.

Thanks for the cupcake recipe.. I never said it wasnt possible though Thumbs up

namaste.

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#8 Posted : 10/16/2014 2:44:26 AM

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I have once met a human being, or at least an entity looking 100% human, in a breakthrough. It was a friendly looking man, around 40 years old, that was very kind to me and explained what this was all about. So we where sitting there in his living room (in a candy land/cartoon world dimension) and he was talking to me like normal human beings do (usually the humanoid entities communicates by telepathy with me) in my native language.

Unfortunately do I not remember everything that was said, because this trip faded away like a dream quite quickly. But to summarize it, he told me that hyperspace was for real and that the entities I have met was beings that had entered a higher state of consciousness and they where here to help others to evolve as well. The reason for all this, is that it is the next step in the evolution where we strives towards harmony, unity and love with the final goal when the whole existence is in perfect harmony. Which, when it happens, will be the most ultimate experience ever.

Just to bad that the trip was so short (and that my memory faded) because it was very interesting for sure, and I would love to meet him again for another chat Smile
 
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#9 Posted : 10/21/2014 7:47:14 AM
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Thanks for the sharing of your experiences they are awesome.
I loved your experience IAmWe-WeAreYou very similar to a friends experience that I hope to one day also have the pleasure of experiencing as its inline with my belief.

I dont think I am being defensive sorry for coming across as such Big grin , I never said it had to be Ayahusca and never totally discounted the fact it could have been other things, hence I said
"I questioned her heavily about the experience as did other DMT users and it sounded just like it and not hash but we have not had a hash experience remotely close to her encounter"

We didnt believe it was DMT at all to start with but the more we talked (a group of us who had done DMT) we realised it was very likely.
Its too hard to transcribe a whole night of conversation (yeah we talked about it for many hours) to help you to understand.

Again thanks everyone for the input it was all helpful
 
 
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