I've noticed an increasing trend of new members coming in using street terms like "dime-bag", "tenth", "deem" or "deemster" among others used in the sale of street drugs (I'm not attacking those members, just pointing out the trend). To me this is indicative of a growing trend of the sale of our beloved molecule as a profit making street drug. At risk of sounding hypocritical and arrogant I will openly admit that the first time SWIM did DMT, he obtained it through a group purchase between friends, from a friend of a friend. But once he learned how humble and sacred this molecule is, he made a commitment to the spice and himself to only extract it for himself or to share with close friends. SWIM didn't purchase the spice on a whim either, it's something he learned about when he was a very young psychonaught and had spent most of his life awaiting a chance encounter. That story is a long one however, and he would gladly share it in a separate post...

I suppose this is the natural life cycle of any drug, but I sure wish there was something we could do to stop, or at least temper this trend. Our (The Nexus' open policy of sharing extraction teks is a double edged sword. It definitely helps reduce the potential of the street sale of DMT because it allows people to learn how to do their own extractions for personal use. At the same time it opens the door for greedy dealers to extract for the purpose of street sale.

What to do, what to do? I'm sure Traveler and the mods have discussed this in depth, but what about locking down the extraction teks and wiki to all but trusted members? I don't know. That may not be the best solution either, in fact I'm sure it's not the BEST solution, but perhaps one in a list of many partial solutions.

I'd like to suggest this thread as one to share ideas about the best possible ways for us Nexians to help in the self regulation of our precious guide and teacher. Is there any hope?

Peace
-idt

I also tried DMT for the first time, and the first many times, through buying it. If it wasn't for the source I doubt I would of been able to try it for a long while, if not ever. It was something I was definitely keen on experiencing but for the love of god help me ever coming across someone who knew what it was let alone knew where to get some. So to be honest although I'd never sell DMT, I don't think the people who do are doing a bad thing cause after all I doubt either of us would be here if those people hadn't done what they did. I'm assuming the bad thing in the eyes of many people around here is the risk of DMT containing plant material to be a controlled substance in their area of province through media exposure, from increased arrests, due to more people selling it. I however am already under such a legality so to me the selling of DMT is something that allows more people to experience it and thus is a good thing. If they like it, like me, they can then find out that making your own is as easy as a,b and c.

Most of these teks are already all over the internet. Locking them down is probably not going to happen to be honest. It wouldn't do any good anyways.

However, it is our policy to stand against selling DMT. If you take a look at some old threads (Price of DMT, DMT for sale, etc...) I think you will get just HOW against selling this molecule for profit we are.

When I first heard about DMT from a friend (after I mentioned Salvia to him) and he was like "DMT is the shit!!" etc, I asked him if he could get me some... everytime I asked he was like "oh my friend is making a batch now will get you a bit for £20", but he never did. So... I ended up coming here, finding a few teks, reading and reading till I took the plunge, got my materials and did it... I am so glad I went this route (Thank you Nexus)

I have had people I gave some of my Changa to asking if I would sell them some. I would feel weird selling it. Maybe just to cover material costs, but honestly I would rather just give it or trade for something else.

this post speaks the truth.

There isnt anything we can do about DMT's growing popularity. That was bound to happen with the ease at which it can be procured.

Yes i understand you are all against selling DMT.
But what if you look at it as spreading it to the masses. Sounds alot more romantic and prophetic.

Personally i think DMT should be spread and experienced by all that seek it whether it be bought, sold, given away etc.

Why sell spice? The neurotransmission is so much better when you've acquired it yourself, or given it away to a loved one.
Money doesn't mean shit in hyperspace.

$#!t, man.. what's with these douches? there's not even a set market for this next-level psychoactive. they're trying to burn you guys who just want to experience it, all while making ridiculous profits and bastardizing the most powerful psychedelic on the planet.

for 30 or £40, one could just get the materials to get several bits

I agree...if a friend really wants some changa after having an experience I would much rather trade some spice in return for cannabis or mushrooms, cactus etc...or just give it away.

The Karma Elves with knife-sharp hands will come pay a little visit to all those who sell spice

Delsyd - Please don't take the following as a personal attack on you or your beliefs. It is certainly not directed at you personally in any way. It IS a very strong expression of my passion and belief in this topic however.


Actually, no. That doesn't sound romantic or "prophetic" at all. That sounds like organized religion, or mass marketing of pharmaceuticals. "Hello World! Here we have the keys to the multi-verse and the answer to all of your problems! Just try this magical molecule once and say goodbye to hate, war, poverty and illness!"

I personally believe INTENT is the number one variable that determines what any one person will gain from DMT, and "Spreading it to the masses" absolutely disregards this variable.


I agree with your statement that "DMT should be spread and experienced by all that seek it", the key phase being "all that SEEK IT". Does "Joe-Bob Glitter and Glow Stick" who's never heard of DMT, but comes across a street dealer at a rave, who promises it will blast his ecstasy trip into overdrive for 15 minutes, count as one who seeks it? Not in my opinion! But that's JMHO.

Peace
-idt

Exactly! Wanting to exploit the spice is just a bad idea all around. Swim realized after his first time, this is nothing to be toyed with or exploited for profit in any way.

dont sell dmt

....ever, or the spice gods will rain hyper-spatial fury upon your soul, the likes of which have not even been seen in hell.

and no, spreading DMT to the masses does not sound very romantic. Most of the population is pacified with their SSRI's, coffee, and sleeping pills. DMT to many would rip away their fragile reality so quickly that there would be chaos on the streets. What if Oral Roberts or Sarah Palin smoked DMT....it would be the new devil drug that lets you talk to "demon spirits". A religious uprising againt our precious spirit molecule would soon ensue...or at least could ensue.

be careful who you give this powerful medicine to....not everyone WANTS to know what lies beyond their perceived reality....(think of the movie The Matrix).

A spicified AMEN to that brother!

Here is another good reason not to sell dmt. Its the best way to get busted and getting busted is all around terrible. Extracting and sharing among some friends is fine and no one will ever know. But once you sell to some idiot who goes and gets himself busted the first person he will rat out is you. Or some idiot who sells to some other idiot etc.

Basically what I am saying is grow your own drugs make your own drugs use your own drugs once you start moving those drugs around its more likely you will get caught and then all the fun is over.

If you could make amazing cheeseburgers wouldn't you want others to enjoy them?
The buns, beef and tomatoes aren't free and what if these burgers took hours of careful time to make, you wouldn't want to lose money just so they can taste a cheeseburger.
The key word I think here is 'profit'. I don't think there should be harm in giving it to close friends and there should be nothing wrong with accepting a few dollars as payment.
I can understand mass producing and flooding the street with it though, that is something that should never be done.

DMT is not for everyone. If people are searching for it they will find it. Teks are all over the internet.

Thanks for the clarification. This is a topic people get worked up on both sides of the isle.

there has been a definite increase in awareness with regards spice, more people have heard about it, probably because the internet spreads these experiences quite far.... also I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the effects of spice have something to do with the culture and time we live in... for example, I would be surprised if shamans had similar futuristic, graphical, digitised experiences that SWIM has had on spice (then again, maybe they did, then the ontological implications are even more bizarre)...

...but anyway, I don't think we have much to worry about with regards spice becoming a highly used street drug, something SWIM has learned is that dealers only sling addictive substances that reap large dividends, SWIM finds it impossible to believe something with such radically different effects could become addictive, in fact, the drug itself seems to illicit sum kind of irrational fear (super respect) that doesn't make sense considering the stuff is so amazing and SWIM has never had a negative effect, SWIM cant do it more than once every 3 months, even if SWIM really wants to, it's strange really.

Finally, although extractions are relatively easy, SWIM suspects large scale operations actually makes far less profit than the other popular street drugs... and if the law was smart they should focus their attention on the drugs that cause real social harm... utopian I know.

SWIM does believe however that everyone should try it, because it is a truly humbling and has fascinating implications on the nature of being and our purpose as human beings... it's still a mega mystery but all humans need hope and many act on faith alone, spice taught me that most theology is even more wrong than I thought it was before, but on the other hand, it also taught me that there is so much out there that we dont understand and it's a truly gratious experience to breakthrough and realise that. SWIM spent most of his life pondering existence and had formed a rather dogmatic view that was shattered by those revelations, well, I dont want to say shattered because this stuff is just unknown at the moment... it's crazy when I read or listen to great authors or lecturers pondering existence, now I cant take them that seriously because they havent tried it and half the time I know that a real psychedelic experience would give them more to think about.

It shouldn't be sold that's for sure, it is truly sacred in that respect in that something so magical shouldn't be overused because like everything in life it may lose it's magic and SWIM loves having the ultimate experience reserved for special moments in time. I am slightly concerned about everyone finding out the secret because sometimes I'm conflicted about whether I wanted to see it myself... I mean, once you've stared into the vortex of infinity can you ever be the same again?