I (PresentlyAbsent2) may or may not be the same as "PresentlyAbsent." Regardless, I certainly did not forget my password.

Anyway, I feel I should give a semi-brief summary of my experiences with DMT:

5 years ago:
Smoked DMT sandwiched in weed out of a gravity bong. I only held it in for a few seconds. Only very slight CEV and some feelings of bodily rotation.

3 years ago:
Try several times to vape DMT out of a glass bulb. Barely feel anything each time.

1 year ago:
Pack the rest of my DMT stash into a bong and hit it really hard. I'm sure I wasted a ton of DMT by burning it, but I finally felt something like I expected. Very intense CEV of a room where walls were opening and closing into other rooms. No breakthrough.

9 months ago:
I got a GVG (glass vapor genie). At first I found it very hard to take more than 2 hits. Even though I didn't break through, I had incredible CEV and I found OEV to be very interesting. My computer and phone and everything looked very alien, very futuristic, like I'm in a spaceship. I had about 6-8 of these vaping adventures before I had my first breakthrough. It was incredible like seeing everything at once … ya know, just your ol' standard transcendental experience.

6 months ago I extracted harmalas for the first time. I put 30 mg in the GVG and smoked/vaped it in two hits. I wasn't sure how long to hold it in. Even after ten seconds, the smoke was very white when I exhaled. About 10 minutes later I vaped some DMT with the GVG. I didn't breakthrough but definitely saw and felt the harmalas. The CEV seemed to have a little bit more flourish or organic nature to them. Smoking the harmalas was very harsh and after vaping the DMT my lungs hurt. In the next 5 or so DMT vamping sessions I administered ~50 mg of the extracted harmala alkaloids sublingually. I would wait about 30 minutes before hitting the DMT. After trying harmalas + DMT, I have no desire to consume DMT by itself. To test this out, I went did a solo DMT sesh and found it lacked something. The visions were simpler. "Where's your friends?" a voice asked.

While adding harmalas definitely improved the DMT experience (vaporhuasca). While these experiments were absolutely incredible experiences. I was still unsatisfied. Vaping DMT is stressful to me. The process is rather particular. It's challenging getting the vaporizing technique correct. I found it very hard to take the 3rd or 4th hit. After the 1st hit of DMT, breathing feels so AWESOME! But, you have to hold your breath, concentrate and keep going. I also found the experiences to be a little unreliable. Sometimes I would be really disappointed because I expected to blast off, but would barely feel anything. I felt pharmahuasca would be easier to administer -- there's no rush like in vamping. And the dosing is more reliable.

5 months ago:
My first pharmahuasca experience. I guessed on the dosing, erring on the side of non-caution. I mixed 95 mg of DMT freebase, 250 mg of harmala alks, 4 mL of lemon juice, diluted with tap water. I weigh 150 pounds. It tastes pretty bad, but not terribly awful. Kind of tastes like medicine… About 40 minutes after drinking it, I start to feel it. 10 minutes later, I'm laying on my couch and

WOWOWOWOOOOOOOOOOOWOWO
HOOOOLY WOOOZERS!!

WWWWWWWWWWWW
OOOOOOOOOOOOOO
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HHHHHHHHHHHHHH
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, I am out there. I clearly took too much, but holy crap this is amazing. This is the psychedelic experience I've been looking for my whole life. I saw the whole universe and how everything fit together. The visuals were so intense they were almost dull. It's like they were so detailed, and fine-grained that it all looked like a mush. The visuals were kind of dark too.

If there was a theme to this trip, it was death. I thought about my grandfather's recent death, I thought about my mortality, I thought about Jesus dying. I felt like a died multiple times. And it was amazing. Throughout the trip, I was always aware of who I was and where I was and the passage of time. I couldn't fully comprehend how my body was fit together -- but I was pretty sure I was in one piece, so I didn't worry about it too much. It was so incredible and amazing. Despite the presence of death, I never felt the least bit of fear. It was clear the point of life is to die. And not to worry--you won't miss out. Everyone gets to die

In my experiences of DMT I have never heard voices nor seen other sentient creatures/beings. This time was no exception, except I did hear one voice quite clearly: it was my own. "Am I the only one here?" I asked. I didn't here a response. But I didn't really expect one. My philosophy is certainly influenced by Alan Watts. Before I believed, but here I saw, that I am the universe and the universe is me. I am all of you and you are all of me. I saw myself and this tiny part of this super-organism that has billions of eyes looking at billions of different things spanning billions of years.

So after 2-3 hours of the craziest crazy cray cray thoughts I started slowly coming back (still saying OH. MY. GOD. about once every couple of minutes)


4 months ago to last week:
Since my first Pharma experience I've had 5 more pharma experiences, for a total of 6:
1. 95 mg DMT + 250 mg harmala, mixed in lemon juice and water. (described above)
2. 50 mg DMT + 200 mg harmala, mixed in lemon juice and water.
3. 75 mg DMT + 300 mg harmala, mixed in coca-cola
4. 70 mg DMT + 275 mg harmala, mixed in coca-cola
5. 50 mg DMT + 190 mg harmala, mixed in coca-cola, also drank lemon balm tea plus several droppers full of lemon balm extract
6. 70 mg DMT + 250 mg harmala, mixed in coca-cola

These experiences were all spaced at least 2 weeks apart.

I've learned a few things from these experiences. I read on the Nexus that mixing nn-DMT with coca-cola creates DMT-phosphate which is supposedly more potent than DMT mixed with lemon juice. I believe this to be true. I feel that the increase in potency (as far as I could sense) was somewhere between +25% to +33%. The 70ish mg experiences with coca-cola were similar in intensity to the 95 mg with lemon juice. (side note, I only mix as little cola as necessary, so I can drink it like a shot, and not taste it so much. uguhgughughu very gross.)

I found the 50 mg dosages (even with coca-cola) to be very enjoyable and pleasant and not breakthrough experiences.

Some people have noted that lemon balm helps increase visuals for Aya/Pharma. While I only tried it once, I did not notice any significant change in visuals. Also, my Pharma experiences have not been particularly visual in nature -- sub-breakthrough vaping seemed to have much stronger and intense visuals.


With each new Pharma trial, I found the experience to be still intense, but more tame. As if I'm better at handling what I'm going through.

Conclusion:
Pharma is the psychedelic experience I've been looking for. It's been really incredible. Thanks Nexus for the support and all the reference material.

Here's a post detailing the rue extraction tech I used.

great sharing, btw..what was the source-plant of your DMT?

Hi PresentlyAbsent2.
I've been thinking about pharma for a few while.
I have a few questions for you, if you don't mind.
Shouldn't you have taken the Harmala before the DMT instead of it all into one drink or doesn't that matter.
Did you feel sick at any point.
How long did the trips last.
Thanks.

You may have just inspired me to go threw with Pharmahuasca. I had everything prepared once but chickened out. After my last go with the spice i realized i no longer need to fear.

I was under the impression DMT Fumarate was needed, but your way makes things much easier.

Thanks for sharing, and for the info.

Pharma is awesome, AWESOME.

Do it.

Intezam, I can't discuss that.

DeltaSpice, I thought a lot about the order and timing between the harmala and DMT. For pharma it makes sense to me to do them at the same time. A couple of reasons:
1. Traditional aya brew has both ingredients in the same cup.
2. The way I understand the chemistry inside the body, there are enzymes that break down the DMT. You want to prevent that by inhibiting it with the harmalas first. So you want the harmalas to reach these enzymes before the DMT. So this is why some people will consume the harmalas first. But how much sooner do they need to reach the enzymes? I suspect its on the order of seconds. Also, harmalas are RIMAs, that is they are reversible. I'm not sure how long of an effect (minutes, hours, days?) they have before the enzymes are back to breaking down DMT.
3. It's easier and works well enough. Maybe I could get away with using 25% less harmalas if I had better timing. But it seems like a crap shoot.

Did I feel sick? Yes, slightly as first. Pharma tastes pretty nasty. I can't imagine what Aya is like... My stomach just turns thinking about it. But I found drinking it like a shot helps. Also, sometimes I'll eat some crackers or bread immediately after to help calm my stomach. The upset stomach goes away by the time I start feeling the trip (~45 min). As others have also reported, afterwards (6-12+ hours after consumption) a headache starts to set it. The headache was most intense the first time. It seems to be directly correlated with amount of DMT consumed. However, it also seems to get less intense each time. It's like being hung over (from alcohol) but you're in a really good mood despite it.

How long do the trips last? The real intense WOWOWOWOWOWOWOW part lasts for about 2 to 2.5 hours. The next few hours are much calmer but still pretty intense. After 6 hours I'm good enough to walk around outside, but still stumbling slightly. It's a very gradual come down.

IANS, you're welcome

3rdI. Yes.

Was wondering how pharma relates to "regular" aya experience wise then? I mean, it main components are the same, pharma has just all the excess gunk filtered out (though with thorough filtering aya can be completely nausea free). Curious since it seems less trouble to just make aya instead of extracting the dmt and harmala's and then redissolving them in a liquid again.

PS. Ginger (tea) and peppermint also help against nausea.

Thanks for the info.
Recently some one said that sublingual Harmala is a lot better than smoking it, that has re sparked my interest in Pharma.
The best sounding method to me , is to fill capsules with the ingredients and just take them with water.
I thought vomiting was part of the process or maybe I've got pharma confused with aya .
There is a lot to look forward too

this is my preferred ROA for pharma. I pop a cap of harmalas then 10 mins later pop a cap of harmala and Magic, works a treat

I also recently tried pharmahuasca, but I didn't get that far on just the pharmahuasca. I mixed 100mg of DMT and made an extract from 5-10 grams of Syrian Rue. One weird thing that happened was that while looking at the walls of my puke bucket (I puked A LOT, I suspect I might've puked out some of the DMT before it had time to absorb) I first saw them getting wavy and then a face started to form in the wall, then it became the face of a woman and it started extending out from the wall towards me and finally a miniature sized woman popped out into the bucket, I saw her look around a bit and then I got distracted for a second and then she was gone...

It got really intense though when I went ahead and smoked some DMT while on pharmahuasca, I was out of it for 1-2 hours and it was indescribable. After I got done inhaling it was like the pharmahuasca and the smoked DMT hit me at full force in synchrony, it was like a surprise party where someone suddenly turned the lights on and welcomed me in and in I stayed for a long time. I noticed that the effects of the harmaline were very debilitating and made it hard to form coherent thoughts, which kind of took away from the experience in my opinion, but the added length sure was something.

I will try this method but ultimately I wanna make Ayahuasca.
It never occurred to me that you could drink a lesser amount of Ayahuasca and go off to a gig or some kind of outing.
Also making Ayahuasca means you get the Harmalas from the Caapi which includes THH.
Baby steps though, first the capsules.
What would be a good dosage for my first capsule attempt?

possibly maybe around 300mg of harmalas and maybe 50-100mg of DMT, maybe.

dosage is a tricky thing to estimate as tolerance varies massively from person to person, but if in doubt start low and go from there, once you have started the session you can always take more but not less.

if you have time on your hands and want to build your relationship with the plants then i would advise that you take harmalas on there own to get a feel for the space they put you in. Once you know what dosage you need for a harmala only experience (which can be horrifically psychedelic on its own) then you can start adding the Magic.

good luck

Good Thread! Very interesting. Thank you PresentlyAbsent2.

Many thanks.
I will try Harmala on its own to get a feel for it.
I do smoke Changa daily , so im not a stranger to Harmala in some respects.
I will start low, maybe 200 Harmala + 35 DMT and see what happens.
Do you have to watch your diet?
Also do you ever vomit?
Thanks for the help. Much appreciated and not forgotten.

Mixed in coca cola? O.0

I never drink coke exept for pharma . I put freebase in it and the phosphoric acid convert it in salt.

How about Cherry Lucozade :/

i dont with pharma but i do with Aya. Its not really necessary but i like to use my Aya in a more ceromonial style and i use pharma in a more recreational way.



Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I think it really depends on the amount, if i take enough then its pretty much guaranteed. make sure you have a bucket, just incase.

I haven't done much research on Pharma but your experience sounds interesting. I'm definitely going to have to look into it now.