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Reducing the Pain Associated with insufflated DMT using Local Anesthetics Options
 
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#1 Posted : 6/18/2014 1:58:29 AM

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Normally the pain caused by insufflating DMT far outweighs the effects experienced. The pain overpowers and diminishes the journey.

So what if the pain went away? What if you could snort >100 mg with very little pain? That would be worth a little extra effort.

You would need very pure, crystalline, DMT for this to have any reasonable chance of success. The same goes for the local anesthetic used. This procedure could simply consist of diluting(cutting) the DMT dust with benzocaine dust. Snorting this, the pain would subside much faster.

Another possible route would be to snort a small amount of benzocaine beforehand and allowing it to take effect before snorting the DMT. This would preclude any pain whatsoever. Snorting a drop of water between the benzocaine and DMT might help with the absorption of the DMT dose.
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#2 Posted : 6/18/2014 2:18:04 AM



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I'm not sure about using anaesthetics but Hyperspace Fool came up with a method that supposedly bypasses the burn. I haven't heard of anyone else trying it though for some reason but I hope to in the future eventually. I have a very sensitive nose...snuffing was an incredible experience and what seemed like an extremely useful way to explore, but it just burned too bad and too long. Hopefully this works.

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#3 Posted : 6/18/2014 3:50:53 AM

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Well I don't particularly like liquids up my nose, but that is most likely a better solution. I'm just throwing ideas into the aether. Wondering if anyone has tried it. If any one has some quality crystals and benzocaine lying around, it would be an interesting experiment. I would try this myself(making benzocaine is easy as pie), but I don't have any crystalline DMT.
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#4 Posted : 6/18/2014 6:21:15 AM

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remember in the past just having tooted the dmt freebase wondering what would happen. a very light , but longer duration experience followed along with a great burn. this is nice to know can do so with recipe to little burn and yet the same pleasant effects. will have to give this a try, maybe...
 
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#5 Posted : 6/18/2014 7:09:05 AM

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If you try this please share. I have always been partial to this ROA and I would love to know if the benzocaine helps or not.
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#6 Posted : 6/18/2014 3:53:51 PM

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Numbing the pain doesn't reduce the detrimental effects the freebase has on the mucosa though. I've used freebase in my mouth and it burns the skin off (as you probably already know). So regularly snuffing it can't be good for ones nasal passages.

I have tried dmt-acetate mixed with some bicarb which was inserted using a tooth pick. Burned much less, and didn't leave any major damage the next day.
 
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#7 Posted : 6/18/2014 7:19:19 PM

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How was the journey? Onset time?
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#8 Posted : 6/19/2014 3:20:40 AM

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I've used with harmala and without, onset is about 5-10 mins. With harmala it lasts longer and the comedown is drawn out much longer. The experience with harmala was excellent, I did not push it to breathrough doses though, most of it was done as experiments, but breathrough should be possible if it is concentrated enough and the technique of inserting is refined.

If the nose starts to run it will sting if any fluid reaches the entrance of the nostril because the skin is sensitive there.

Getting the right balance between acid and alkaline is the main problem with this method. I suppose if you started with freebase and only added a few drops of vinegar till it all dissolved it would be easier.

Because the acetate is sticky it helps to squeeze the nose after insertion to spread it around. You have to get it quite high up, and don't add too much bicarb else it will freebase and burn more. I originally thought bicarb couldn't freebase dmt-acetate but after using it in my mouth I am convinced that it does. Maybe not all of it, but enough so that it will burn a lot. You should just add enough till the acetate stops bubbling. If the acetate is very liquid you can boil off the vinegar by putting it in a spoon and holding over a flame till it starts bubbling (just don't let it start smoking).

In contrast though i think it is more efficient to use via the mouth with harmala's. Not under the tongue, as the saliva messes with the absorption, but via the space between the lips and gums. You can take more in and the overall absorption seems to be better to me. I've had to use far less and have gotten closer to a smoked experience than with any other method. I made a post about it here. But if you want to use it without harmala then nasal is the way to go.

Considering how much damage the freebase does to one's mouth and nose it amazes me that people are smoking it so freely.
 
 
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