When using a GVG with pure xtals, some have claimed that you shouldn't see any visible vapor upon exhalation of a full dose (approx. 35mg) if you hold it long enough, and if you do, it's a waste of spice. If this is true, possibly exhaling into a bag or the like would allow me to inhale the visible exhaled vapor again.

I typically see a large quantity of vapor when I exhale, similar to exhaling after taking a hit off a joint.

I am curious what the general consensus is among the well experienced GVG users regarding this.

By the way, it takes me 35-40mg for what I consider to be a full immersion experience. I am able to take the full dose in one inhalation. It is always pretty much tasteless, and so smooth that I can't even feel the vapor. No harshness, no taste.........and I am a fan of using my triple torch as it fills the heat filter, and keeps me from having to "circle the wagon" by moving a single torch in a circular motion to distribute the heat across the filter thruout the hit.

By using the triple torch accurately, vapor is generated within the first 2 seconds of my single, full inhalation.

I hold my breath for as long as I comfortably can (around 10-15 seconds)

Any input/opinions would be appreciated

If you can't hold your breath for more than 10-15 seconds, then do a couple of very shallow exhales and inhales to allow you to keep most of the vapor in for 30+ seconds before doing a complete exhale.

i found breathing exercises helped alot with being able to hold in my hits for longer, it might be worth giving them a try, if you meditate you could add them to your practice.

I always take a moment to slowly breath all the way out and then all the way in before dosing. Super deep breaths, tryin to stretch out the ole lungs.

Just a quick question. Do you double check the pipe and make sure nothing is left over after you dose?

Yes, I inhale until all visible vapor has come and gone thru the GVG (ie. all vaped).

And I have tried hitting the GVG again after returning, to verify everything was vaped. Just to confirm, there is nothing left after the initial inhale.

I agree that I need to work on my pre launch breathing exercises. Deep breath in. All the way down to the solar plexis. Then practice holding my breath followed by a long slow exhale.

After trying this for a minute or two, I was just able to hold my breath for 30 seconds....uncomfortably, but 30 seconds nonetheless .....

Thanks for all the suggestions from my nexus family.

Much Love&Light

Namaste

I reckon with a little practise one should be able to hold their breath for 25-30 seconds (unless they have some respiratory problems). I think that the OP might well find a significant difference in effect with this duration and I would suggest that they perhaps just use 30mg rather than more when they first try this.35mg is a pretty hefty dose if held for this long.......

Thanks Corpus,

Was thinking the same thing....

Once I do a bit more breathing exercises and practice, I will try 30mg, and see how it goes!!

Still wondering if you believe that if you can see a visible cloud upon exhaling, if that means that you haven't absorbed the whole dose??

What's everyones opinion on this question.

The other question i have for members that may have some knowledge regarding absorption rate vs. time. Do you think absorption thru the lungs is a fairly linear function with time? ie. if you hold it twice as long, might you absorb 2x the amount?

My recommendation would depend on whether you are aiming for one or several hits. If one hit is all you need then keep it in as long as possible, if you are taking several hits there might be a point when it's more efficient to breath out and take the next hit.
Usually when I exhale I see very thin vapor but I'd rather exhale slightly early than almost pass out from trying to keep in the smoke.

In my experience the key to a pleasent journey is to be relaxed. When you are desperately trying to get as much for as long as possible you'll stress your body too much to enjoy the trip.

Can't see the visible vapor being anything other than DMT. So if you see it you didn't absorb it. I don't usually see vapor after 15 seconds so I dunno.