Hi,
SWIM read somewhere, that after the Acid wash/Salting step (in the Q21Q21 Tek) you can just boil the vinegar down, until you only got this dmt-goo, throw in some herbs, mix it until they absorb all of the goo and you have changa.
My question is: Which herbs can you use? I kinda don´t want to spoil my experience, so I wouldn´t use weed. Can I just use some kitchen basil (or other kitchen herb) or peppermint from a teabag or something like this?
I know the "Guide to DMT Enhanced Leaf (Changa)", but it was hard enough getting the MHRB, so the herbs in the guide are not a good option.

well you would actually have to convert the acetate goo to freebase (i know in Q21Q21's tek it says heat will freebase the dmt, but that claim has recently come under scrutiny), before you could make it into changa.
also to infuse the dmt into the herb, its best to dissolve the dmt in MINIMAL solvent (something like isopropyl or acetone), then evaporate the solvent onto your herbs (stirring prior to evapping, ofc). though some have used heat, instead of solvent.

technically, this is enhanced/infused leaf, not changa (changa is basically the same thing but also infused with MAOI - typically the harmala alkaloids found in caapi/rue), but it is very similar... especially as far as administration goes.

as for deciding which herbs to use: the BEST way to go about doing it is to try smoking the unenhanced leaf by itself, to see if the taste/harshness is overpowering or not. but yea, any herb will act as a carrier for the alks, its just about how smokeable it is.

Yeah totally! The vinegar dmt acetate goo smoalks fine in my experience.

As for over the counter herbs, basil or parsley will do the job proper.
If you can afford the time and expense, pink lotus stamens are a great vehicle for the spice.

Safe travels partner!
-Trypp

Thank you very very much for your answers, they help a lot. But I still have a few little questions.

@Parshvik: I don´t know if it makes any difference, but I am using Tek 1 and replacing limonene with sunflower oil, because it´s impossible to get limonene in my country. Do I have to consider something or can I just follow the instructions for the DMT fumarate (I assume it will also work with my acetate goo) freebase? Also I used Calcium Hydroxide (aka Lime) for the basification, can I just use it instead of the Sodium carbonate described in the instruction?
I just want to know the easiest way (or the hardest to fuck up) to get the dmt from the acetate goo to the herbs.

@Trypp: Do you mean that I can boil the vinegar down and throw in some herbs? (Sorry I am not a native English speaker and I can´t recognize to which part of my question you answered "Yeah totally!" )

that is fine, though when using oil, sodium carbonate washes (if they sell washing soda where you are, you can buy that [which is pure sodium carb] for like a $ a pound) are practically a must (prior to salting the dmt out of the oil, you add basified water a few times to clean out any nasties or leftover base)

i have no direct experience this, so keep in mind my answer is entirely speculative (though not entirely uninformed) it is my understanding that calcium hydroxide really only works for dry teks. so if you do the paste and pull method, it should be fine (as it stays relatively dry). probably not as much for the water precipitation method.

basically when you add acid to an alkaloid, it turns to a salt, when you basify it, it turns to freebase. so really you just need to add alkalinity, then isolate the alkaloidal goodness



you CAN.. in fact i myself used to make acetate changa.... but really the ability to properly dose with freebase (and NOT pyrolyze any dmt) changa as opposed to acetate is night and day.

suffice it to say, i will never make nor smoalk acetate changa again.
though you can try it if you want (but really i cannot stress enough how totally worth it, it would be to freebase it)

Ok, I will do the sodium carbonate washes. Just to make sure I got this right. After the Pulls, I add the sodium carbonate solution (do you know any numbers for that? Like how much water for 1g of sodium carbonate or something like this?), mix it a little, retrieve the solvent and repeat 2-3 times. (Will it split into layers, so I can retrive the solvent without the sodium carbonate solution?)

I will already have the sodium carbonate from the washings, so I can just follow the Instructions for the freebasing. I will have the dmt acetate goo, can I just follow the steps as if I had DMT Fumarate? Because on the pictures the fumarate looks like wet powder and not like goo.

Sorry for asking so many questions, I hope it will help other people too.
And thank you very very much Parshvik, I appreciate your help greatly.

ok, thanks for the tip.

I just did the first pull with sunflower oil, after waiting 24 hours. I added 100ml (50g of MHRB) of oil, mixed it an waited for about 20 minutes. The mush absorbed very much oil, I only got about 20ml max. I plan an doing a second pull tomorrow and see how much I get then.
I have read somewhere, that after you have done your pulls, you can add water or lime (I dont remember and can´t find the post), to get the rest of your solvent out. Eventually squeezing it out with a cloth or something similar.
So after my pulls, should I add lime to make the mush drier and force some solvent out, or should I add water, so the mush can absorb it and get some extra solvent?

yep. same process regardless of texture.

I actually want to do the exact method smuggelr is describing, but I am confused about when to do the sodium carbonate washes.
Do you do the sodium carb wash once you have done the sunflower oil pulls, but before you salt out the DMT?
Would it make sense to gather all of the pulls and do this process all at once? (assuming you wash the sunflower oil)

Also, is it bad to have a small amount of sunflower oil left in the vinegar after salting? since the oil floats and the vinegar is on the bottom it's almost impossible to grab it without transferring a minute amount of oil.

I'd love to hear your progress on this method smuggelr. I hate using naptha personally, so sunflower oil sounds like a dream to me. Thanks

Okay, and since I would be using sunflower oil, I would salt the oil pulls after I did the sodium carb wash instead of freezing with naptha?

Yup

yes to both questions.


what i do is use a baster as a seperatory funnel of sorts.
make sure you get all the oil sucked up with some vinegar. cover the bottom hole with your finger, then as you lightly squeeze you just barely pull your finger away from the bottom to pour out all the vinegar from the bottom.
then as the oil comes near the tip of the baster, you cover the hole with your finger again, so none of it pours out.

you lose a couple drops of vinegar if you do it this way (unless you REALLY want to go OCD on it), but it's well worth it.

i have also heard that if you pour the vinegar through a coffee filter the oil will stay on top of the filter, but the vinegar will go through.
when i tried this, it didn't work, so i suppose it matters how fine of a filter you are using (presumably the finer the better)

I already started salting the sunflower oil before I stumbled across this thread. I was thinking that I would finish my current extraction without the sodium carb wash and then do the wash on future extractions, or might I be able to do the wash before I evaporate the vinegar?

Also, I noticed my sunflower oil I pulled is quite cloudy, is this the dmt inside? The oil remained cloudy even after I salted with vinegar, is that normal?

Thanks for all the help!

yea, there are a lot of other things that dissolve in the oil that aren't salted out, so cloudy oil doesn't mean much (at least not as far as i know).

what i would do would be to evap the vinegar, then dissolve the acetate extract in water, base the water, dissolve the freebase out of the water with your preferred solvent (you could use oil), and then you can do the carb wash on that, and proceed as normal. a process like that is typically referred to as a "mini a/b" im sure you could find more info on the forums if need be.

Hey people.
I planned on doing a report of my tek, with photos and description and stuff like that, but I think I fucked something up along the way.
First I got only very little solvent from the pulls, then I just forgot to do the sodium carbonate wash before the salting.
This resulted in very little dmt Vinegar/water.
I didnt want to boil it in a pot, because I would have nothing left, after the pourings, etc.
So, I set up a hot water bath like this:

, but the vinegar doesn´t seem to boil, all tough according to the internet it boils around 100,6°C. I have added salt to the water,so the temperature should be around that.

Here is a pic of what I have:


It is pretty liquid (not gooey at all) and it seems to have a small top layer of fat. What can I do with it now, can I just freebase it with sodium carbonate?

For me, the MHRB absorbed almost all of my SFO (sunflower oil) when I first mixed it in for a pull. I panicked for a little while, but realized it was probably normal. when I added more the next time, little to none was absorbed and I was able to retrieve a good amount in each pull.

I think that layer above your vinegar is more SFO, if you read my above posts, Parshvik provides a good way to get rid of it with minimal loss of the vinegar. He suggests using a turkey baster and draining the vinegar till it reaches the oil layer, then stopping the flow. I think I will try that when I am ready.

For evaporating the vinegar, I am planning on using my oven with the door open at 150F.

I'm not sure if you can basify right now with what you have, but I think you should be able to.

I think you are doing something right since your vinegar has some color to it, I hope mine does when I start to evaporate it.

smuggelr, i would fully evap it, then clean with a mini a/b, as per my post directly above yours.

Just for the record I really don't think a sodium carbonate wash is at all necessary with these sunflower oil/d-limonene teks, and it seems to cause problems for some people.

Hi,
I put the 75ml of DMT-Vinegar-Water in the oven for about an hour and a half at 150°C and that is what I have left. It´s very liquid and not gooey at all:


I am not gonna do a sodium carbonate wash, because the syringe I used (instead of the turkey baster) broke and without it it would just be too messy. I will try to freebase it and see how it goes.

If it won´t work, I still have about 50g of MHRB-powder and I will try it with properer equipment. (A French Coffee Press and a real turkey baster, which will (hopefully) be more precise, than the syringe I used)

I will report back with the results

Soooo,
I followed this instructions(skipping the first step of adding water, beacause I already had a liquid).

Dissolved 30g of Sodium Carbonate into 100ml of near boiling water
Slowly added the Sodium Carbonate/H2O
Shaked vigorously for about ::20 seconds
Added 75ml of room temp H2O into the solution and shaked again for ::20 seconds.
Put the jar in the freezer.
Then this should happen:


But it didn´t, there is no layer forming, there are no crystals. Just this:



Can I save the DMT somehow or did I fuck up too badly. It would help me greatly, if somebody would point out, where I could have made a mistake. I took pictures and notes after nearly every step, if that helps identifying the problem.