I actually mentioned this in the other thread I did on "The Gift of Eternity" but I thought maybe I could get more responses this way. I noticed when I first went through one of my awakening moments that new phenomena in the realm of music also showed up. This song is by Vargo "Infinity" I notice an echo effect with everything spoken, does anyone else notice this with music? Or maybe some other depth that is currently unknown to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ2Yhqezmho

I'm not sure exactly what you're saying. Are you saying that with DMT, you became more aware of the delay effect in this song? Or are you saying that when you smoke DMT, you hear sounds or the music you're listening to echo where it normally doesn't?

The only thing I can say about echoes and DMT, is that when the energy really builds up in the room and the godhead forms/arrives, its voice echoes immensely. It has a feedback loop of delays. It's very bellowing, majestic, and awe-some.

The echo effect in music I notice stays with me it started after I went through a week long Lucid period in my life. I've never done "DMT" I did take mushrooms, though the echo effect did not come till about a month later it was like I just "woke up" and there it was when I through on the first bit of music. At the time it was as though "I got it" temporary awakening moment felt like a dream come true but it surpassed my expectations by God knows how much lol. Even listening too talks by Jiddu Krishnamurti or what have you it was as if I had a mirror there basically showing me what was True, I could see life completely clear as if I were looking into a Diamond. It's like I listen to different music and I notice this effect, like in the song I mentioned instead of a word or a sentence being spoken once I may hear it 2 - 5 times. For example "To see the World"{echo here} "in a grain of sand"{echo here} after it is spoken I will here it 4 maybe 5 times afterward echoing outward or inward I guess. The echo effect seems perfectly placed within the song too not some jumbled mess. I notice this with a lot of music but not all music. I get this effect without the use of Entheogens. I also notice it in other bands whether it is Ulver, Arcturus, In Flames, Metallica, Pink Floyd and way too many others too name and yes I listen too all genres.
Music is amazing when you have feeling to go with it but I am really detached atm so it's not as great but I still can't help but wonder if there is more to the echo effect than just entertainment so I was curious if anyone else might chime in on this. At the time I felt in some way as though the music was speaking too me though as the lucidness faded I began to question it even outright convinced myself that I dreamed the whole awakening moment and then I turned back around and well here I am. Anymore all my entheogenic exploits take me to the same place akin to a Master of puppets kinda thing. Where I feel like I am the Master of puppets but I see it as whatever that place is within us is true in someway for our experience (were all God). In my mind God is both Immanent and Transcendent (seemingly other though it seems that is I as in Us as well). At least that is how I understand it atm.
And also what seems emphasized is this tremendously slow awakening and in my mind I feel infinitely slow lol. So lately I've been wondering if there is something more to this detachment I feel rather than pushing it aside (as much as I want to) maybe there is something more to be learned from it. And also my experiences I always feel like the world is waking up though afterward I usually write it off as that is probably the best way to emphasize ones personal awakening though I'm not sure.
I feel like who I was is just ashes at the moment waiting for Rebirth or this is part of the process of Rebirth. My experiences certainly emphasize a process usually beginning with denial and then noticeing a presence that knows all my reactions and thoughts before I even begin. Just silence the likes and dislikes I once had are just not as existent as they once were. I guess in some ways I think of it akin to a real birth like you were just born and are basically confused as hell as to how to proceed in this world. It's very strange because with how detached I am I feel I can't really live life to the fullest as I would like (Though my experiences seem to give me hope).
I'm rambling on anyways the echo is a permanent thing that doesn't go away. And my "journeys" always leave me disoriented like I am going through some kind of birth (Which doesn't end with one trip it is on going possibly forever). I'll post one more just to show where I notice these effects throughout the song now sober. Though that may be overdoing it but w/e.

To see a {world}(4) in a {grain of sand}(4)
And a heaven in a {wild flower}(4)
Hold infinity(3) in the {palm of your hand}(3)
And {eternity}(4) {in an hour}(4)
[william blake]

Chorus:
{Here}(1) {we are}(1)
{So small}(1) {so far}(1)
{We`re lost}(1) {in space}(1)
{without}(1) {our faith}(1)
{So deep}(1) {and wide}(1)
{Turn to}(1) {the light}(1)
{An open}(1) {mind}(1)
{Will let}(1) {your heart find}(5-7 not sure)
Infinity(5)

Everytime those words are spoken there is an echo afterward. And I most definitely feel lost. It is the strangest thing too wonder where we are beyond city, state, country, planet, universe. Sure we could say God's mind still doesn't change the strangeness of just where this is .

as previously mentioned this effect is either delay, or reverb, (or both)with feedback.
old technique.

You kind of started talking about a bunch things at once so I don't understand what your trying to say.

You hear an echo all the time with spoken words? But only in in music or...?

Are you using that song as an example or saying hear it in that song?



What do u mean you feel lost? And then you go on about God and then I become lost.

Sorry, I have a lot on my mind and drag other things into it instead of staying on topic. Just music not talking to random strangers or anything. I just know hearing it was not always present for me. And yes I notice it in that song but not all I know not everyone hears what I am talking about so I was curious as to whether it is just something somehow inserted into music by the musician. That I became atuned too or if it was something deeper. Gotta go for now I'll finish this later.

I think I might understand now. I believe what you're observing is your mind learning something new. Before you were aware of it, it could have always been there and slipped right past your attention. Delay can be rather subtle or it can be extremely prominent which has a lot to do with the volume of the delay in comparison to the "parent" sound as well as other sounds in the mix, competing for your ear and attention. Something a little similar happened to me. When I was first getting into guitar and instrumental guitar music, I was showing a Steve Vai song to one of my classical music compatriots. He instantly recoiled at the delay on the lead guitar line (makes sense as you don't really have delay in classical music)...I had never even noticed that there was delay on that guitar, and I had been listening to the track for some time. That was a while ago, and I've now become quite familiar with delay both in the music of others, and I have an intricate setup for working with delays myself, so it has become something that I can pick out rather easily in songs and detect to some extent what kind of delay there is how much feedback (i.e. how many times does the delay repeat), its rough percentage in the "mix" and so on.

You noted how


Sometimes an echo is simply well placed and other times it can be the case where the echo may have been going for some time, but when those loud moments are contrasted with a very sparse atomosphere and less sound around it (i.e. as soon as the "parent sound" comes to a sudden halt) it can be easier to hear the delay after the sound has stopped as opposed to while it's fluidly going. Hope that makes some sense.

Since we have this thread on delay, I simply cannot pass up the opportunity to have you watch this video where Brian May from Queen demonstrates some creative use of delay. The ending is always my favorite part.

When i enter very strong trips i usually hear harmonies that aren't there sober.. changa does this, as do psychedelics conbined with dissociatives (eg taking a nos balloon on while on lsd, k-holing while on 4-aco-dmt). Single notes split out into many, angelic harmonies that i can't hear sober. music sounds like god, heartbreakingly beautiful. maybe those harmonies are there contained in the soundwave and normally filtered out by the brain but then again the nature of these trips is to make me think there's no real difference between what's 'out there' and whats 'in here' after all

It's interesting you describe it that way. You see, typically when you hear any one note being produced from a natural instrument (i.e. not a pure pitch like a sine wave) you are actually hearing a variety of frequencies at once, but you only really consciously register it as one frequency. This frequency is called the "fundamental" and is the loudest frequency in that sound, masking the presence of the others. The others frequencies known as harmonics are mathematically and geometrically laid out along the vibrating string/material or column of air following predictable patterns. The degree to which you can hear these other harmonics within the full sound is much of what allows one to discern what kind of instrument is playing (i.e. is it a trumpet or a clarinet or guitar or voice or piano...). Some instruments like the guitar or piano (to a lesser extent) can deaden the fundamental so you can isolate the purer harmonics. Brass instruments like trumpets, trombones, tubas, french horns, etc...rely on the concept of activating these harmonic overtones in order to play different notes with the same valves/positions.

I watched your video though interesting, now I don't know what in that I am looking for as far as Delay goes. Though I am curious about looking more into Delay too see if I can properly spot it. In my experience take the song I mentioned at the beginning when say the women is singing and happens across the word Eternity it will repeat (Eternity, Eternity, Eternity, Eternity.... echo like it is fadeing out or in. when I numbered different lyrics by the song I was just pointing out how many times I could hear it sung. Now since I went through the change I've become introduced to a lot of new music including this song so I just don't know where these effects are naturally present in everyday experience versus how the music changed for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWm03wYBTbM or take a song like this David Bowie "Five Years". For me when I listen (Sighing, crying, Dieing, Lying are all echoed once but there is maybe a second or two delay before it is repeated as if it is mirrored or something). Songs that have the effect I am usually lucky if I notice one or two words echoed or mirrored. That's why I mentioned the first song because I was surprised it was existent in almost every word.

Swim had an experience with echo ,he was at a gathering and smoke dmt ,and when he was out he can hear the ppl next to him talking and he cannot believe his ears that the sound they were doing was with large echo repeating like 4 times a ward,and all that sound was turning in a spiral in a mixing bowl.So i hear you start hearing like that only if u blackout.

I didn't watch the full video before but I got around to it today. Ya that is what I notice just with lyrics. Interesting