Hi there, looking for some advice as my extraction so far is yielding fairly poor results. I did my tek roughly based on the DMT Handbook. So far out of ~5x 50ml naptha pulls from a 250g batch mixed for at least an hour each time has only yielded about 290mg of spice.

My method was this:

-Boiled the bark 5 x 3hrs. Thought this would be plenty.

-Added what I thought was a small amount of fumaric acid, but turned out to make it VERY acidic, PH 1. I think this is where I made my error.

-Didn't add further fumaric for the last 4 boils, just reintroduced some of the first boil to the pot each time to bring the PH down.

-condensed the resulting tea down to about 500ml, allowed to settle and filtered out the sludge at the bottom. PH tested it and PH was darker red than PH 1.

-Added NaOH solution until the tea turned black. Tested with PH strip, PH 13 or so, very basic.

-Pulled 5x with naptha, mixed for at least 1hr each time.


So can this be salvaged? Did I damage or alter the molecules by over acidifying? Does the solution just need more base / water mix to make it less viscous? I'm sure there is still plenty of spice in there, but unsure how to go about making my pulls more effective. I have kept the bark in the freezer just in case as well, maybe there aree more goodies left in there.

Any advice is welcome! Will definitely be going back to an STB after this, this method took so long and didn't work very well

Thanks,

P x

Possibly excessive prolonged heat and/or excessive acidity has destroyed a portion of alkaloids.

Try adding some salt saturated water let it mix and settle then add 200ml of wam naptha. Evap down to 50ml and freeze precip.

What would the salt saturated water do? Are we talking sea salt here?

Salt helps push the dmt out of solution to be picked up by the non-polar solvent.
Normal non-iodized table salt is used, saturate 200ml water and add it to the main jar.
Evapping the pull fully or until 20-30ml may be best and will be a conclusive tesr as to if any was left in.

Ok, so I have made some alterations. The bark I saved from the tea was added to a larger jug. Basified water was then added, as well as ~100g rock salt. The tea and solvent from the first post was added, then 250ml hot naptha. I am now agitating it every 10 min or so. Naptha has already gone very yellow. Hopefully this will rectify the situation.

Thanks for the tips DreaMTripper, and also (as always) mr. endless on chat. I'll keep this thread updated when I have a better idea of my yield

doesn't the dmt hand book use phosphoric acid for the initial pulls and fumeric to salt the dmt for pharmayahausca ... anyway foaf uses phosphoric acid from a hydro shop to acidify the water to a ph of 2-3 then does 3 5 ltr boils for about an hour each and reduces combined liquid down to say about 1 - 2 ltrs then checks that the p.h is 2 if not they lower it using more phosphoric acid they then add zinc and simmer for an extra 40 mins then they add about 500 g of cooking salt which turns the red brown liquid to a muddy color continue to simmer for another 10 - 20 mins ..... time to decant and base what you have should still be about 1 - 2 ltrs... use Naoh to get a ph of 12 or above all done while liquid is still hot then add shelite bout 300 - 500 ml shake and VENT <(really important to vent everything is hot and bubbling & building up lots of pressure VENT!!!) repeat 3 times should be able to do all 3 pulls before the solution cools (because everything is hot it minimizes the emulsion and makes separating the layers allot easier ) reduce the 3 shelite pulls to about 200 ml then put in a pyrex baking dish and put that in the freezer and forget about it for 12 hrs ... there should be allot of crystal now at the bottom of ya pyrex dish

Well, I made some more pulls, around 300ml, mixed, used hot water baths, tried evapping half and then freeze precip - nada. So evapped the rest and got maybe 200mg of oily amber / yellow oil. I figure that either the bark was no good, or I did something seriously wrong along the way. Maybe the sediment that I filtered contained a lot of crashed out salts / fumarates? Either way, I have hit a dead end with this one I think

MHRB or ACRB?

I take it this is your first time extracting this specific batch? Sucks about the yield, personally I'd guess the heavily acidic environment might of damaged some of the alkaloids or that you just got bunk bark. I doubt there was much left in the sediment if you did 5x3 boils, that should of got the vast majority of the alks out of the bark and into solution. At this point it seems you've done pretty much everything you can...

Sucks man, hopefully you enjoy the stuff the did yield.

It was Mexican MHRB, first time to my knowledge I have extracted from this stuff. I have made some Salvia & Blue Lotus Changa with the Jungle spice I got from the evap, which I sampled last night, and is marvellous, just sucks I didn't get more considering how much time and effort I put in Ah well, at least I have some lovely medicine to explore, better than nothing I guess

Try one last vigorous acidic boil.on the plant material with a few shots of vodka thrown in. Base to 14 and saturate with salt then pull again you may be surprised..