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-SWIM tells me he tried doing 69Ron's bufo tek (2nd post in the 'bufotenine extraction' thread).
-He extracted from 100g of seeds as per tek. He stirred for 20 minutes before each pull (4 pulls, 1L of acetone roughly)
-He filtered through a coffee filter.
-While the yellow orange acetone was evaporating he accidentally spilt up to 2/3 of it, so I guess that brings him down to the equivalent of an extraction of 35g of seeds
-What was left he evaporated down to 100ml as per the tek (on the radiator).
Should it have been 35ml due to the spillage?.
-Some 'mud' collected on the bottom. As the precipitation is meant to occur AFTER citric acid solution is added, he thought this wasn't what he wanted but was maybe just dust that got through the filter, so he poured the acetone out so that this stuff was left behind.
Is that right? Or is this stuff what he wants?
- He added 30ml citric acid solution as per tek. Hardly anything happened. He added another 25ml and a little orange precipitate appeared, but not much at all. He added another 25ml. Then poured in the rest. So that's about 100ml of 10% citric acid solution added in total. The precipitate is minimal... he estimates between 10-40mg of tiny particles of precipitate finer than sand.
What to do? Has he done something wrong? Or has he been sold yopo when he asked for vilca? Help please!

THINKING about it, 69Ron said that the 10g of citric acid would take about 2 hours to dissolve into 100ml of acetone. When he did it, the citric acid dissolved immediately. Maybe he had his scale on the wrong setting? Once he found it was on the wrong one and was measuring short, something like half, it has g, ct, dw and gm. He uses it on g usually. It's cheapo.

He just tried making a new batch of citric acid solution on the right setting. It took a minute or so to mostly dissolve but there's still a little lurking on the bottom (and maybe this happened the last time but he didn't notice? He just doesn't know. But it's a possibility. Maybe he should evap his potion a little more then add some more citric acid solution? Or maybe he should add the mud that he separated before adding the citric acid?

Most of the precipitate has disappeared and orange blobs have formed instead
Does acetone attract water from air that quickly? Can anyone rescue SWIM's experiment?

eeek!

For his first extraction, SWIM did'nt get more than what you got from the CASA tek. Nothing really precipitated.
Maybe bad seeds...
Later, SWIM had more success with MEK+naphta. But it was with another seed batch, so it's hard to say.

Thanks for the replies. Well seeing as how bufo citrate is an orange goo, and the blobs were orange, SWIM took those blobs and continued as if they were the precipitate (he separated by sucking up all the acetone from underneath it with a baster).

SWIM says the result of the extraction has been drying out for 2 weeks. The acetone pull from the final step evaporated quickly to leave a thick transparent goo. Alhough sharp edges and the odd crystalline chunk has formed, it is still not quite dry!

Is this nearly pure freebase bufo, as it should be? Can SWIM put it in the oven to dry it out properly?

SWIM has never gotten dry crystals from that tek. He doesn't know if it's entirely possible.

You can use them as is. Warning, there'll be a decent amount of nausea from that tek.

guhhh make sure you have your puke bucket close...because you will vomit if its got impurities...

Thanks you so much for the replies
I thought that tek left no impurities? SWIM hates vomiting! And eek, that tek included the nasty dark shells in the mix too!

Can the goo be dried in the oven without destroying goodies? It is drying, just VERY slowly.

Also... how can he recover 5-meo goodies from his seed/lime powder? He knows that there could be little there, but he doesn't mind, he REALLY wants to recover 5-meo. And nn-dmt too if his seeds were yopo after all. Waste not want not! He's saved the other waste from each step in the tek, if it's relevent.
For getting out 5-meo, he has no idea.
For nn-DMT, maybe a little water (maybe lye too?) then pull with naphtha? Assuming the toxins were previously extracted in the acetone pulls?

SWIM has analyzed Buf isolated from colubrina seeds and there is only trace amounts of dmt and 5-meo. then again swim didn't make it basic enough to get out the dmt but 5-meo seemed to be present but in again very low amounts. never the less it might be possible.

The best way to get the DMT is to freebase at pH 11 with a sodium carbonate paste and then extract with naphtha or heptane. Evaporate the solvent to get the DMT. Bufotenine is completely insoluble in those solvents.

But really, the amount of DMT in most seeds is so small as to be completely worthless unless its real Yopo. SWIM has once had Yopo that was primarily DMT with only a little bit of bufotenine present. He was totally surprised by that. That’s extremely rare.

You can also used d-limonene or xylene to pull the DMT and not the bufotenine as long as the solvent is room temperature.

Most seeds conatin almost no DMT at all, however they do contain something similar to DMT that's soluble in naphtha, but its not DMT. It IS active though, and similar to DMT, but much longer lasting.

Thanks guys. Yeah SWIM is wondering whether his seeds were actually yopo, so he wants to test with a DMT/5-MEO extraction. He wants to know whether his well-known supplier knows their stuff or not.

This transparent goo he has from 69Ron's tek still isn't dry... he was thinking, could he mix it with a common easily-available inert powder, to make it easier to handle? He thought he could add, say, 10g of such a powder to soak it up, then adjust dosage accordingly before smoking.

Also, are there any specific smoking techniques for bufo? Thanks.

Do an A/B with naphtha or heptane. If it's real Yopo lots of DMT will be extracted, otherwise pretty much nothing will be extracted indicating it's actually Vilca.

Vilca is better than Yopo. Yopo is very nauseating and requires a lot more to experience a trip. Yopo is much higher in DMT, but also has a lot of some other alkaloid that makes you really sick. The same alkaloid seems to be in Vilca, but in much smaller amounts. Some Vilca lacks it and doesn't make you sick at all.



Real Yopo is the worst to extract. It's super sticky unless you isolate the alkaloids from each other. There's a lot of some nauseating alkaloid in it that's very sticky and will never dry. Real Yopo is more nauseating than Vilca, but does have lots of DMT and little or no bufotenine. If you want DMT you're better off extracting from chacruna. That's the cleanest source of DMT. And no, mimosa is NOT the cleanest source of DMT, just the highest yielding.



If it's clean pure white bufotenine, smoke it all in one shot. Otherwise spread the doses out. There's an alkaloid in these seeds that makes you feel sick for a few minutes and ruins the experience for some people. If you smoke it slowly, you get tolerance to the nauseating alkaloid.

Thanks. Is there a common smokeable foodstuff powder one can mix the sticky goo with to make handling it easier? Some edible lime maybe? Or something more inert?

Use calcium carbonate as a filler. They sell that at a lot of vitamin shops. Lime also works but calcium carbonate is safer.

Thanks

SWIM smoked 10mg of his transparent goo from the extraction I was talking about in this thread. He weighed it by weighing a corner of a bay leaf then scraping up goo with it and weighing it until he had 10mg of goo on it. Nothing really happened when he smoked it though.
He then did the same with 30mg on a little bay leaf. This time he dropped it into the bowl of his little glass bong and put a candle underneath then smoked the smoke. He's not sure if the goo even vaporised, maybe only the bay leaf did. Again nothing happened.
He then put 50mg in a basil leaf with some precipitated chalk as a mini quid and put it under his tongue and held it in his mouth for 20 minutes. Nothing happened.
He's feeling a little bummed out by this failure!
Is it safe to smoke the leftovers from the extraction to see if the seeds are active? It's ground whole seeds including the skins and lots of edible lime. I know that for smoking vilca/yopo you're meant to take off the skin first because it contains the most toxins apparently...

Nobody knows? He really wants to experience the bufo spirit!!! Can he purify this goo further to make whatever bufo may be in it smokable? Or make the seeds smokable (they're ground up with the husks that are usually removed included)

Pretty please...

ohayoco..you should give the Toast:freebase:IPA:toast:IPA:changa tek a try..its really easy and DOES work

Ah found it, thanks, Fractal's one at the end of the bufo extraction thread? I think that dreamer should try that one and Noman's simple one just before it on the goo and if that doesn't work then on the leftover ground seeds afterwards.