We've Moved! Visit our NEW FORUM to join the latest discussions. This is an archive of our previous conversations...

You can find the login page for the old forum here.
CHATPRIVACYDONATELOGINREGISTER
DMT-Nexus
FAQWIKIHEALTH & SAFETYARTATTITUDEACTIVE TOPICS
Psilosibin extraction idea! Options
 
Humble Hermit
#1 Posted : 7/9/2013 8:00:35 PM

DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 80
Joined: 08-Jul-2013
Last visit: 16-Jul-2013
Location: Misty Mountains
Big grin So a few minutes ago i was sitting in my room and i thought "why not just make some shroom tea and evap it to get psilosibin?"

Anyone read about this, or tried it before?

i was thinking you take some powdered shrooms and put in a filter (coffee filter or something) to make a tea bag of sorts. then when the tea is done you just evaporate it off. would that work? When i first thought of it i thought it was one heck of an idea xD

peace
if you wanna try suicide, first try something completely different

DO NOT QUESTION MY PAN-DIMENSIONAL KITTENS
 

Live plants. Sustainable, ethically sourced, native American owned.
 
Parshvik Chintan
#2 Posted : 7/9/2013 8:42:58 PM

DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 3207
Joined: 19-Jul-2011
Last visit: 02-Jan-2023
how is this preferred to an evaporated alcohol (preferably methanol) extraction?
My wind instrument is the bong
CHANGA IN THE BONGA!
 
Humble Hermit
#3 Posted : 7/9/2013 8:55:06 PM

DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 80
Joined: 08-Jul-2013
Last visit: 16-Jul-2013
Location: Misty Mountains
I dont know about extracting psilosibin. personally i just drink the tea. it was just an idea, thought some nexians might like it. but if there's already a similar way with alcohol then never mind i guess Smile
if you wanna try suicide, first try something completely different

DO NOT QUESTION MY PAN-DIMENSIONAL KITTENS
 
Sykosis
#4 Posted : 7/9/2013 9:27:04 PM

The Seeker


Posts: 201
Joined: 12-Sep-2012
Last visit: 18-Feb-2019
Location: The Shroom Fields
you can easily extract the psilocybin from mushrooms I do it all the time.
I personally prefer to use Ethanol as Methanol is toxic, but other then that there is no difference in performance I've noticed and Methanol is usually easier to get.
It is really quite easy to do and you'll find all about it here on the Nexus, however extracted psilocybin tends to oxidize at a much faster rate so needs to be stored properly. I keep mine suspended in Ethanol and stored in the freezer.

--Sykosis is nothing more then a material manifestation of the collective minds and thoughts of many.
No one individual can be held accountable nor responsible for any of the actions Preformed by this user. All opinions, thoughts, statements and ideas expressed by this user are nothing more then a mere coincidental, incoherent, incomprehensible, fictitious rambling and should be treated as such.--
 
The Day Tripper
#5 Posted : 7/10/2013 12:33:31 AM

Rennasauce Man


Posts: 853
Joined: 27-May-2011
Last visit: 23-Feb-2025
Location: A Pale Blue Dot orbiting a GV2 Yellow Dwarf fusion powered Luminous Ball of Plasma at 30km/s
Its not really the psilocybin you have to worry about, but extracting with water and evaporating will most certainly degrade all/most of the psilocin.

And the psilocybin will not be safe from hydrolysis/oxidation, thats why most people tend to use alcohols for mushroom extractions. Even then though, unless your vac evaporating the solvent under an inert atmosphere in a dark, dry cold place, there will be some loss from degredation, both from the psilocybin and most/all of the psilocin.

Personally, i think its just not worth it. Perhaps using a dry alcohol and storing the solution in a freezer, anything else will degrade the actives very quickly. Especially using water for your solvent and evaporating the water.
"let those who have talked to the elves, find each other and band together" -TMK

In a society in which nearly everybody is dominated by somebody else's mind or by a disembodied mind, it becomes increasingly difficult to learn the truth about the activities of governments and corporations, about the quality or value of products, or about the health of one's own place and economy.
In such a society, also, our private economies will depend less upon the private ownership of real, usable property, and more upon property that is institutional and abstract, beyond individual control, such as money, insurance policies, certificates of deposit, stocks, etc. And as our private economies become more abstract, the mutual, free helps and pleasures of family and community life will be supplanted by a kind of displaced citizenship and by commerce with impersonal and self-interested suppliers...
The great enemy of freedom is the alignment of political power with wealth. This alignment destroys the commonwealth - that is, the natural wealth of localities and the local economies of household, neighborhood, and community - and so destroys democracy, of which the commonwealth is the foundation and practical means.” - Wendell Berry
 
Parshvik Chintan
#6 Posted : 7/10/2013 6:20:09 AM

DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 3207
Joined: 19-Jul-2011
Last visit: 02-Jan-2023
i have been told that ascorbic acid' anti-oxidant properties are powerful enough to not only prevent oxidization but reverse it as well.

i cannot speak to the veracity of this statement, but one mushroom experience seems to confirm it (it was from old shrooms stored in fridge - very blue'd, i tried 2g without ascorbic, barely any effects. 2g with ascorbic resulted in mild OEV)
My wind instrument is the bong
CHANGA IN THE BONGA!
 
The Day Tripper
#7 Posted : 7/11/2013 1:52:16 AM

Rennasauce Man


Posts: 853
Joined: 27-May-2011
Last visit: 23-Feb-2025
Location: A Pale Blue Dot orbiting a GV2 Yellow Dwarf fusion powered Luminous Ball of Plasma at 30km/s
Parshvik Chintan wrote:
i have been told that ascorbic acid' anti-oxidant properties are powerful enough to not only prevent oxidization but reverse it as well.

i cannot speak to the veracity of this statement, but one mushroom experience seems to confirm it (it was from old shrooms stored in fridge - very blue'd, i tried 2g without ascorbic, barely any effects. 2g with ascorbic resulted in mild OEV)


Perhaps, i have no reason to doubt what you are saying. To the effect it was active.

Another theory about why it was active, is that the psilocybin is much more stable than the psilocin. And while the psilocin (and perhaps a portion) of the psilocybin was hydrolyzed, there was still an amount of psilocybin in the tea to make it active, but little to no psilocin.

In any case, making a tea with water, and evaporating it to yield a goo, may be slightly active, but i would guess all the psilocin would be decomposed by then, and a significant amount of the psilcoybin as well.

With a dry alcohol you don't have to worry about hydrolysis, just oxidation. Thus you can do a much better extraction thats yeilds far more alkaloids that way, if you evaporate the solvent under the right conditions. Ideal being a dark room with a nitrogen atmosphere in a vac flask/evaporator. Using minimal if any heat to aid the evaporation of the alcohol.
"let those who have talked to the elves, find each other and band together" -TMK

In a society in which nearly everybody is dominated by somebody else's mind or by a disembodied mind, it becomes increasingly difficult to learn the truth about the activities of governments and corporations, about the quality or value of products, or about the health of one's own place and economy.
In such a society, also, our private economies will depend less upon the private ownership of real, usable property, and more upon property that is institutional and abstract, beyond individual control, such as money, insurance policies, certificates of deposit, stocks, etc. And as our private economies become more abstract, the mutual, free helps and pleasures of family and community life will be supplanted by a kind of displaced citizenship and by commerce with impersonal and self-interested suppliers...
The great enemy of freedom is the alignment of political power with wealth. This alignment destroys the commonwealth - that is, the natural wealth of localities and the local economies of household, neighborhood, and community - and so destroys democracy, of which the commonwealth is the foundation and practical means.” - Wendell Berry
 
benzyme
#8 Posted : 7/11/2013 1:59:19 AM

analytical chemist

Moderator | Skills: Analytical equipment, Chemical master expertExtreme Chemical expert | Skills: Analytical equipment, Chemical master expertChemical expert | Skills: Analytical equipment, Chemical master expertSenior Member | Skills: Analytical equipment, Chemical master expert

Posts: 7463
Joined: 21-May-2008
Last visit: 14-Jan-2025
Location: the lab
It doesn't matter if you use alcohol or water to extract, you're not isolating psilocybin. either will
yield protein-bound alkaloids.
"Nothing is true, everything is permitted." ~ hassan i sabbah
"Experiments are the only means of attaining knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." -Max Planck
 
Parshvik Chintan
#9 Posted : 7/13/2013 10:30:26 AM

DMT-Nexus member


Posts: 3207
Joined: 19-Jul-2011
Last visit: 02-Jan-2023
obviously it is a crude extract.

i don't think purity was implied by anyone
My wind instrument is the bong
CHANGA IN THE BONGA!
 
 
Users browsing this forum
Guest

DMT-Nexus theme created by The Traveler
This page was generated in 0.018 seconds.