Good day ladies and gents, quick question. When describing DMT to some of my friends they tend to bring up Salvia alot and that the experience I'm describing is like a salvia trip. Now I have never done Salvia. My question goes to the people who have. Are they simliar? If yes, what would you say is the major difference between the two? I'm sure there are great differences but I'm just curious. Thanks in advance.

Hello macc,

this has been discussed in several threads. Take a look at this one, it contains a few very good points. Particularly this:

I find the similarities very noticeable between the two. Immediately after the first toke of DMT I took I said aloud, "That feels so much like Salvia".

They have their glaring differences, obviously. But I find them very similar in many ways. That's what initially led me to experiment with the combination of the two. Often, after I smoke some Salvia Changa, I have thoughts about how this combination is some sort of important discovery and myself and a few other humans on the earth are just beginning to tap into it. That the two on their own are profound enough, when dosed properly together the synergy is unbelievable.

@Dioxippus - I would be very interested to hear more about your dose with the combination of the 2. I recently acquired some salvia for such an experiment. I feel like the 2 could make for a completely different journey.

- have had some wild OBE's on salvia, but they are always a shuttering in and out rather than a solid visit to another place. Salvia's onset is very similar to DMT/ Vice versa.. Salvia gives me a bit more of an uncomfortable, prickly body feeling as it comes on. My first DMT experience had that same feeling, but every one since has been much more enjoyable. Salvia is so confusing. Especially in high doses or with high extracts. i will say that my experience with 50X salvia extract was by far the most potent psychedelic of my life until i tried DMT.
- Like most things in the DMT world, it both is and isn't similar! Comparable but not the same. haha. Also, I always get a sense of Vertigo on Salvia that doesn't happen on DMT. this is one of the biggest differences to me.. The feeling of being stuck in this dimension by some invisible gravitational force. DMT just lets you go.. See ya later!
I am excited to try out the combination, but wonder if i will be able to traverse the realms of hyperspace while under the effects of salvia..

I have more salvia experiance than DMT..[ but am starting to experiance some ..
[acacia confusa ..[DMT changa]with ..[calli leaf ] latley in low doses and i love the super relaxation weightlesnes i feel as i come up a little..
It feels like im being lifted from my physical body..
I need to try a larger dose to get further with DMT..
Salvia to me feels ancient and timeless and anything can be experianced on salvia in the right mind frame..
I have been transported to other dementions with salvia and now see and respect life in everything on mother earth..
These substances are safe for strong minded adults.. and totaly non adictive...
Salvia...mescaline...and DMT can be good teachers...

Salvia = wtf even was that ?
DMT = that was WTF

I cannot articulate anymore than that.

Of course I do recommend trying it out and formulating your own opinion

Dosage is the real trick with Salvia. Tolerance varies so wildly between people. Some people even claim that Salvia doesn't effect them at all, no matter the dosage

I can breakthrough on Salvia with about 400mg plain leaf. So my tolerance is extremely low. I would say to start small with the Salvia when combining it with spice. 5x in a changa blend, that sort of thing.

And they do make a completely different experience than the two separately. It is synergy beyond anything I've experienced before, even with something like MAOI and DMT.

I have found my dmt experiences much more interesting than the ones I've had with salvia.

For me Salvia tends to feel much more uncomfortable. The first time I smoked a salvia extract I thought I just felt so strange and uncomfortable because of the setting in which I did it. I was told to cash the whole bowl in one hit so I did. I didn't know if I was dreaming, dead, or what was going on. I bought some soon after that to try in a more comfortable place. It was just as strange and uncomfortable. I saw some kind of interesting stuff, but for the most part it was just strange and uncomfortable.

Dmt on the other hand has always been much more interesting for me. One of the things that I found very interesting the first time I did it, was that even though it was a little overwhelming and strange it also felt very familiar and there was this feeling like I've been here before. Whether this is from memories of dreams, possibly memories from early brain activity in the womb before birth, or even memories from in between past lives (I really don't know what to believe, but I accept that anything is possible) this mystery is part of what really drew me to keep experimenting with dmt.

All this being said I'd be interested to try changa with a small amount of salvia mixed in it. I don't care for bufotenine too much by itself, but find it makes an excellent addition to changa. I could see that salvia could be like this too, but I would definently go heavier on the dmt than the salvia.

I'd say try it for yourself. While I don't really care for salvia I know several people who do.

I have heard really positive things about dosing with Ayahuasca and chewing some Salvia quid along with it.
I believe Jamie posted some experience reports about it a while back.

The way I think of the universe is it looks like a really old fashioned European cathedral. Think Notre Dam (sp?) or St. Peter's Basilica.
There's the creepy basement, (full of spiders, forgetten rooms and a general sense of unheimlich), which is what it's all built on (and is very important), but is not the place the average person would want to visit. That's where Salvia takes you.

Then there are the grand, beautiful stain-glassed windows with flying buttresses, statues and golden light. That is the part of the church that is ornate and where people go to connect with the divine/their brothers and sisters/the universe/whatever floats your boat. That's where DMT takes you. Both of them take you to a deep, fundamental place, but I would much rather spend time in one then the other.

Blessings
~ND

A little off topic, excuse me.
but,

For those of us who are inclined to explore basements of cathedrals... anyone ever try quidding salvia after a heavier-dose of harmalas?

While I personally have never directly expiramented with them, their chemistry should give you some idea of what to expect, or not to expect, depending on a lot of factors. The brain is complicated.

Harmalas are Monamine Oxidase Inhibitors, which (as the name suggests) decreases the rate at which your body can process and break down monamine molecules. There is a potentiating effect when you combine harmalas and serotonin analgues like Psilocin (which is actually just 5-HO-DMT) or N,N-DMT because fewer of the psychoactive molecules are broken down and so more get into the bloodstream and across the blood-brain barrier.

Salvinorin A (the active molecule in Salvia Divinorum) is not a monamine molecule, it's a terpenoid (as someone early mentioned). It doesn't even act on the same neurotransmitter receptors. Salvinorin agonizes the kappa opioid receptor, while most 'classical' psychedelics agonize various serotonin receptors (mostly the 5-HT2A receptor).

Because of this, harmalas won't have any DIRECT action on how your body processes salvia.

HOWEVER

Certain MAOIs (including most harmalas) are psychoactive on their own (I have no idea why), so it is possible that you could create some kind of synergy between the two.
Also, agonzing 5-HT receptors causes cascades of various other neurotransmitters down the line, (one of serotonin's major roles is regulating the release of other neurotransmitters) and it is possible that some serotonin-modulated release of ligands could cause some kind of potentition or synergy with kappa opioid receptor agonists.

This is my understanding of the psychopharmacology in a nutshell.
If I've made anything really incorrect statements, a more knowledgeable person should feel free to come in and correct me.

If this seems like more of an explanation then you wanted, I apologize. I just REALLY REALLY love biochemistry and will jump on any excuse to talk about it.
My family will corroborate this, while rolling their eyes.

Blessings
~ND

I've had a lot of experience with salvia before I discovered dmt. Salvia was amazing for me, a true and powerful psychedelic. But then some person....not to mention any names but Jamie ....whispered to me about DMT.
Once I tried DMT I was amazed at the experience of the power of light vs the relative darkness of salvia.
I have on several occasions tried to mix the two. It usually doesn't work for me. Usually the salvia acts as a block for the spice. On one occasion I sprinkled about 40 mg on top of some 25x salvia and took a hit and had the most amazing experience ever. It was a swing from the highest high and the lowest lows on each breath.
So, what I'm saying is that there can be a synergy, but I've found it difficult to re-create.

"anyone ever try quidding salvia after a heavier-dose of harmalas?"

They synergize very very well.