I've broken through about 4-5 times on medium doses (still working up to the McKenna "3rd hit". I'd like to share my theory of DMT entities and ask for your comments.

This theory does not rely on mysticism so I consider it to be an improvement on the whole "aliens from another reality" thing. If you have a better theory please share it.

The brain is like an information sponge that's designed to create facsimiles or mental models of the people around us. These mental models allow us to predict people's actions, feel empathy towards others and function in a social group. When we're growing up, this happens at a deeper level as our developing brains are shaped by the mental models we create of our parents and siblings. These models stay with us for the rest of our life and define us. The internal model of a loved one will be more complex and realistic than that of an acquaintance.

During normal consciousness, the various personalities we've absorbed over the years are usually part of the background processing that occurs in our subconscious, subtly directing our conscious perceptions and attitudes. DMT, on the other hand, seems to have the ability to separate and resolve the various mental models which we carry with us in our brains. These entities are animated by the energy of DMT and our inner perception is enhanced to such a degree that the subtle signals and feelings that emanate from each mental model's neural network bloom into a fully-developed entity. The information streaming from the entities is actually in the form of neural signals from a particular area of the brain, but in our DMT-enhanced state we take these signals and amplify them into a fully-blown picture, complete with movement, gesture and voice.

These entities are what I believe McKenna was referring to as beings of pure information. Remember the quote about an alien life form requiring the nervous system of a mammal? Our brains are designed to capture and reproduce these entities. Just as my loved ones live inside of me in the form of neural patterns, I am present in the minds of my family and friends (in varying degrees of fidelity). Each one of us is an entity, made of several lesser entities, existing in the substrate of mammalian nervous tissue.

This theory explains why many DMT entities resemble loved ones, parents, siblings, friends, etc.

God, Jesus, Allah, etc could be interpreted as (extremely successful) entities which have managed to spread to many physical bodies. (By spreading to many bodies the entity can accomplish more, such as build a world religion devoted to its continuance complete with churches, shrines, rituals, initiation, evangelism, etc).

Does DMT allow us to communicate instantaneously with aliens in hyperspace in different universes, violating the laws of physics? I doubt it. The theory I introduced above is simpler and makes more sense. If we want to communicate with real aliens (the ones that don't live on Earth as entities inside human brains), we'll need to do it the hard way, with radio dishes or space ships.

Of course, the world of human entities is much more interesting which is why I'll be coming back to DMT for many years to come.

Excellent post. I think your theory is on the right track. It may not be the whole story and there are probably more details to be worked out but I think explanations like this make far more sense then hyperdimensional beings.

We have discussed this topic extensively but perhaps now is time to give it a fresh start.

Very interesting!! New one to gnaw on.


I'm following you with most of it, but this part...


I've never heard of that happening in anything I've read, ever & it has definitely never happened to me.
Maybe with Salvia that is a more common phenomenon, but DMT entities, for me anyway, do not resemble anyone or anything in my memory, or even this world. Totally alien, but not the space-man kind. Just meaning completely novel, not like anything on this planet, or reality.

WS

nah wtf you r idiotz person, you dont kno nothing spaz gawd grow a brain! i bet you hvnt evnez smoked dimethytripatemn before youz a faker person. i r kno everythingz and what i iz kno iz whenz youz smokez dmtz youz arew tranported through teleport of dmt worm hole to anoder dimensionalz that exist and iz where da aliens live and they speak to me and tell mez things about stuff but they are real cause i saw them and they looked at me and this place me iz in was sooo different to normal and alien like so it HAS to be anoder dimensionnnnnnn. youz kno nothing bisnatch mofsadof 1@3!!! *retires into epileptic fit*

but ye, I do agree with you. Really interesting points your brought up, thanks. To add, I have witnessed realistic visions of family members and friends on numerous occasions in which gestures, facial expression and body language/movement were included. Usually just a face shot but sometimes fully body as well. Every time I sit there thinking how on earth?!?! its so real, like I'm actually looking at them. The two most common scenarios are either them looking at me smiling or up in the air watching something smiling. The second one is very common and includes people I dont know walking around then all stopping and turning their head up and away to the right/left like they're watching something in the sky and as they do that more gather to watch and even sometimes pointing with happy/surprised/enthusiastic facial expressions.

SWIM has also had experiences of contact with relatives on psyches but not spice. For the most part people describe weird alien beings on spice from what I hear. However I still think its possible to imagine them up or to mistake everyday things (like the colors hitting your eyelids) for crazy beings while under spice. It makes sense because your brain has so many odd mechanisms by which is recognizes objects that if that gets altered it can be really confusing.

There has been some fascinating cases of brain injury where people could see their parents but think they were someone else even though they were and looked exactly like their parents. Odd things like that.

yeah both are true but I think its different things.. I do think that the brain has some sort of perceptual process which tries to unite the different stimulus into wholes. There's also the system of associations and perceptual filtering, which makes us limit what we see into categories that are familiar to us (people, life, faces, anything really).

The example you give of people seeing a relative and not recognize it, I remember a case study of a man who had a part of his brain damaged, a part where the visual stimulus connected to the emotional memory. I dont remember my neurobiology lessons hehe, so I am not sure which part it was, but it was something quite specific.

Regarding the original poster, yes, well said. I also think that amongst our mental functions, we do absorb all different kind of informations and store them in different categories, which might come up during the trip and explain at least partly what we see...

But I think its more than that, as the examples I gave above and also possibly other unknown variables and influencing factors. Life is incredibly complex and seems to work in many different self-organizational harmonious levels, I dont think we can pinpoint so easily such a complex phenomenon as 'experience of meeting beings under effects of certain substances'. Also there is a sheer artistic brilliance under dmt that makes one wonder, are we all greater artists than all the famous world artists, or where the hell is this all coming from ? hahaha

I dont mean to say that it is literally beings from another dimension, but I dont think we have yet (or ever will) explained the magic behind these experiences

The speculation behind the magic, the discussions we have about it... produce far more 'intellectual stimuli' for us than undoubtedly knowing why, I believe.

This isn't a matter of undoubtedly knowing why though, more of an overall idea that makes more sense than any others. Still so much to be answered for, or should I say speculated about but still, the brain is so wack, dmt just unlocks all of that wackness and puts it through a blender at a billion miles an hour.

Its true that the discussions, even if no final answer is reached, are very productive

As mentioned, I do think that it explains at least partly what happens

and yeah you're right with your last sentence of dmt unlocking all sorts of different wackyness at ultra speed haha

lol, it's true. When people finally do figure out all the mechanisms behind these experiences it will be way too complex. It'll take students of the future years of hard work to learn.

Nice!!

Near Death Experience except from wikipedia.org

1. A very unpleasant sound/noise is the first sensory impression to be noticed (R. Moody: Life after Life);
2. A sense of being dead;
3. Pleasant emotions; calmness and serenity;
4. An out-of-body experience; a sensation of floating above one's own body and seeing the surrounding area;
5. Floating up a blue tunnel with a strong, bright light or garden at the end;
6. Meeting deceased relatives or spiritual figures;
7. Encountering a being of light, or a light (often interpreted as being the deity or deities they personally believe in);
8. Being given a life review (the "life-flashing-before-your-eyes" phenomenon);
9. Reaching a border or boundary;
10. A feeling of being returned to the body, often accompanied by a reluctance.
11. Feeling of warmth even though naked.

^^Thats quite a broad list. I think virtually all those effects could be explained by certain aspects of the brain shutting down and the ones that are left getting all the attention. Think about John Lilly's research with sensory deprivation. It makes perfect sense.



I agree there is certainly more then us silly humans think is going on. Far more most likely if you consider our known universe and all the possible universes and dimensions that 'could' exist.

I can't say whether we will or will not figure out what causes all these things to happen including consciousness in general. But science is making massive strides in this area. Once psychedelic drug research becomes acceptable I think we will see a revolution in the science of consciousness.

To be honest, when scrutinised its not too hard to imagine these experiences were engineered by people/things long before us then programmed into the code of DMT. There are seemingling limitless possibilities, some more regular than others, but all following the same basic structure. The evolution of the experience goes to clockwork every time, as if it were going through a checklist. The knowing behind this substance is breathtaking.

What do you mean code of dmt?

By evolution of experience do you mean that how the experience and how it effects you seems to move in some kind of step by step pattern?

Im not sure how to explain it.. when you smoke dmt things happen to you and these things are dictated by the code and its limitless functions. This code, which is dmt, was engineered solely for the purpose that we use it for by people/things long before us. Its like software that you upload to your brain but holds countless scenarios, each one specifically designed/created. These scenarios no matter how different, or sometimes the same, they may be usually follow the same structure. The evolution of the experience is how this structure unfolds. ? My little skeptical twist on things. I just find the happenings so 'made' not imagined or traveled.

SWIM's personal interpretation of the situation is that they are imagined, or created... but by our subconcious... we don't conciously, directly, have a say in what is going to happen after smoking some spice, but what happens is a result of SOME stimuli produced by our minds... our thoughts. If DMT acts as a mirror, which SWIM believes it does, then these countless different scenarios are a result of countless different individuals, their thoughts, what they have experienced so far in life, etc... It would make sense that with every being there will be a [even just slightly] different journey, as every being interprets situations and has experiences things differently than everyone else.

Yes each experience is individual to the person and is stimulated and projected by what lies in their subconscious, but that's only one aspect/function of the codes effect. That's just like what you take to the table, not what DMT brings.

DMT itself does not have much information. It's a single molecule with a specific shape to fit into certain types of serotonin receptors in the brain. The scenario of DMT experiences being "designed" or "made" is still possible if you consider the program to be encoded into our own genes. DMT is the key to unlock these genetic programs.

Well whether it brings it or unlocks it doesn't all that much matter, its the experiences themselves we're focusing on and hypothesizing about. But for arguments sake, how are you so certain that within this simple molecule there isn't a reservoir of evolved information/programs codded within it, somewhere. If we're looking at it from the perspective of it been engineered by someone long long ago then it wouldn't be too hard for them to sneak all that info in there somewhere, cause after all they did make it. None the less though, if of course the programs are within us and dmt simply presses the start button then this I think presents even more interesting discussion..