Time ago parrot brought 4 little peoytes from nursery. ILPT loved them an decide get some more,much bigger ones, so his windowsill will be full of this wonderful species.
ILPT don`t want peyote for often munching! He just need to bioassay peyote first then hardgrow the same batch ,cut it, have one proper strong and visionary trip on his 30th Birthday, theng grow the leftover bottoms for another 30 years and give it to his son on his 30th birthday. ILPT`s son can past it on his son(or daughter)and so on !
PLease give ILPT advice. He seen massive peyotes for over £300, but is it worth it?
As he was googling for Europian vendors, he accidentaly found board with this post:


I.L.P.T. suddenly became very sad because deal looked promising, parrot among the bigga peyote also found two 5-5,5cm peyotes for £30 or one 5cm "hard grown" for £22.But how he can trust the vendors after reading this post? The same bloke wrote also this:
Means two 5 cm hard grown peyotes wouldn`t give ILPT proper trip? He need 5? that`s hundred pounds(140 $)! for one trip? Ef Off!
If is he right, all peyote on the europe online market(yes bloody cactus-plaza too!)is inactive and not "ready to eat" but need to be grown 4 more summers,even after that the potency would be quartered compare to the "true"

I`ve heard that this lad like to smoke weed and booze himself a bit when posting, so maybe he just taking the micky, little bugger!
On the other hand, this laddo has great respect on that board.He helping people out, has many posts about cactii there and nobody proving him wrong!

What should ILPT do guys? Parrot has been collecting and saving pennies whole winter and he wouldn`t spent it for crap.But don`t advice to get pedro,peruvianus or bridgi, ILPT want only Peyote, peyote, peyote!!!
If one have truly "true" peyote with diameter of Wimblendon`s tennis ball,how old is it ? and how large rootstock it suppose to have ?

any price is worth it.

rather get some peyote seeds and an army of pereskiopsis - within a year u could have hundreds of golf ball sized peyote's - root them - wait a year or 2 and u can eat as many as u want for free.

the info that i have gleaned from the majority of the smarties on this site say that grafting, if it does have an effect on potency is small compared to how bad it is made out to be.

from what i remember reading, hard growing for a year or two should make up for whatever small difference from the expedited growth on the graft. someone of more knowledge should post up.

Not all European sold large lophos are grafted - though a lot are & you can usually tell - some have been grafted in the past and then degrafted, rooted & hard grown & some have been grown from seed/cuttings.
Dependss where you look.
Personally I'd say if you're planning to keep them for a serious amount of time, 5years+ it doesn't matter if they were grafted at some point in the past, this is more than enough time to grow roots and produce mescaline & other alkaloids.
Obviously no cactus, whether grown from seed or cutting, is going to grow as naturally in a pot as in the Sonoran desert, the root won't develop as well - but they won't need to as you'll be looking after them. Its basically a trade-off - 'home-grown' lophos will grow quicker than than those in the wild, though they'll produce less alkaloids, over time it makes less difference though.

I'd recommend getting some ceastopose (sorry for the spelling) - multi-headed lophos as as they grow you'll be able to take cutting & root them into new lophos - though get some single headed ones too as they flower & seed. In a few years you'll have plenty of seeds & will be able to grow your own from seed.

I've got ~20+ now (not for eating any time soon), though I did lose some to a bad winter, and while I have no way to measure alkaloid content everything I've read inclines me to believe that they're developing normally, with a lower alkaloid content than in the wild but increased growth makes up for it. If you get a few wee ones now, care for them & take cuttings from any grafts/caetapose rooting & growing them then you'll be sorted, you just have to bear in mind this isn't a short-term thing.

Oh and try to get them from different sources - different genetics/sub-species - for the benefits of genetic diversity - don't buy them all from divine cactus as they're all identicle genetics. Though they're cheap & after 5+ years will probably be as good as any others (not too hardy though & a bit prone to disease).

2 won't give you any visionary peyote experience unless they're seriously old & well developed - 30 uears may do it. You're looking at anything from 6 to 12+ 5 year old heads from what I hear.

That little quote you posted in your first post is full of lots of bullshit.... he is correct about some things tho...

See my cacti threads for more info on this subject.

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