SWIM had his first 2cb experience last night. It was his first experience on any of the 2c-concoctions. SWIM liked it quite a bit. It was very psychedelic feeling. As in, lots of intense pleasure waves streaming throughout the body. Comparable to MDMA or LSD. The visuals were suddle, and he really had to stare at things for a while before they started pulsating brilliant colors and dancing to the music. SWIM reflected on some very important aspects of life, and realized some things in his life he would like to change. All in all it was a very beneficial experience, and very clean feeling. Coming down was 100x easier than LSD or MDMA. Shulgin is a genius!!~

that sounds like a beautiful experience the way you describe it sounds alot like mescaline (which would make sense) i havent gotten to play with any of the 2c's but would love to... if i could only find such things... ah rc's they seem so mystical to me i would love to experiment with some

*Sigh*

One of the 2C family I never got to try. It was scheduled before I got into RC's.

SWIM had the opportunity to try 2cc the other night. It was marvelous. RC's are really interesting- having experienced two different ones now, SWIM says he'd nearly always prefer the 2c's over LSD or MDMA. The effects are very similar, but much easier on the mind and body.

SWIM's been sitting on a hit of some kind of 2c (2ci or 2ce, his source was unsure but speaks highly of the effects), he can't wait to try it. Maybe it'll bring him a step closer to figuring out the chemical id of the psychedelics he used to get at smart shops.

SWIM hasn't tried the i or e yet. From what he hears it is more gentle than the b or c.

SWIM enjoy's 2c-i but there is definitely a stimulant quality that can get irritating or troublesome. The next day and minor third day side effects are also really mellow (almost too much so for SWIM), SWIM usually likes to kick out the remaining 2c with a small amount of tryptamine based psych the next day.

does that make any sense using a dose of dmt or psilly to change post-effects of 2c-x's? maybe its just a placebo SWIMMing in SWIM's mind.

No, I'd say that sounds about right. Alot of people report, sometimes pretty strong, spiritual and mental after affects. 2-cb is very psychedelic, or at least it was for SWIM and his friends.

out of all the RCs it has the most amazing connection to nature...

Compared to 2C-I, E, t-2, t-7, and even 2C-C, 2C-b is one of the least psycadelic of the bunch. From what I have read it has a lot more sensory effects than psycadelic effects.

If you ever get the chance, try 30-40mgs (oral only) of 2C-T-7, now THAT is a is psycadelic.

Hmm, interesting. Unfortunately I have no RC sources right now but I will commit myself to the long laborous search before everything gets banned. I had one friend in paticular who was effected alot by 2c-b. It was not that psychedelic effect during the trip but the after effect. He became depressed after the trip for about a week. And then for a good three months he would go into spells of depression. What the substance really did was bring some things to light in his life, and it would not let him forget about them. This seems to be the case alot with 2c's in general from what I've seen and read. You have realizations and whatnot about things that aren't right in your life and then you just can't shake it.

It wasn't like that for me and a couple other of my friends. After my 2c-b trips I felt great and the feeling lingered.

forgot to add, ive heard that a good dose of piracetam added to 2c-i significantly strengthens and improves the journey. goes to all the phens infact.

SWIM has had extensive experience in researching 2ci and 2ce through observation and bioassays.
2ci is best enjoyed insufflated, 7-20 mg from common to heavy dose. Orally lasts much much longer. 14mg has caused 30 hour ordeals for SWIM!
2ce has about the same duration orally and insufflated, but dissolving on your tongue is the best. Very mental, very intense.
2cb is on the list! And might be considering one of the 2ct-'s but doesn't know much about them. How do they compare, are they truely a worthy experience?

2ct2 is more like a strong dose of mescaline than any other 2c hes done..extremely visual..cartoony..2ce is probably his favorite...2ci seemed devoid of any intellectual thought..seemed more like a club drug...

SWIM combined 2ci and 2ct2 once...extremely WEIRD but interesting trip...not the sort of thing you would want to do in a dingy hallway

Sounds interesting. 2ce feels like a really long drawn out mushroom trip with an intense mental aspect. 2ci is very sober headed. SWIMs favorite club drug.
Also LSD and 2ci was a deep, immersive experience that was very visually entertaining.

SWIM had some 2ci last night and was happy to realize that it seemed exactly like the first psychedelic he ever took (which he couldn't find out the name of at the time, as it was purchased in a smart shop). It seemed somewhere between mescaline and acid to SWIM, but it definitely felt a little like ecstasy. SWIM's quite pleased!

All fine and dandy comparing this stuff to LSD and Mesc, but what I am truly wondering is this... is there a DIFFERENCE? I mean, if I can get LSD and Mesc any time, would pursuing these RC's be worthwhile or is it just going to be a slightly 'easier' trip with similar qualities.

We are here because DMT is NOT like mesc or LSD... I think we're a group that seeks NEW and different experiences (salvia for example, completely unique) rather than just an almost-copy, no?

Can someone try to articulate what these B's and I's and T's actually feel like rather than saying it's just like something else? Saying it's "psychedelic" makes me happy but can anyone elaborate?? I can't seem to find any of these damned pills.. where are you getting them!??!!

I'm in canada, i thought it was easy here.

I always found 2c-b to be a disappointment. No matter how much I took, I could be totally overwhelmed with visuals, but felt NOTHING. Just saw lots of visuals.

Actually, In all my time with research chemicals, I felt very little that was worth pursuing, that couldn't be gotten with better known psychedelics that aren't so risky.

To answer the question about differences.... well, they feel different. Acid feels different than shrooms, which feel different than mescaline which feel different from ayahuasca. Explain to a blind person the difference between pink and red. They are pretty close, but you'll never be able to convey that difference.

As for Canada, RCs are freely available off the internet by a well-known canadian research chemical vendor. I can't disclose the name of the vendor, because that might piss people off and bring attention to their enjoyed vendor. But rest assured, someone in YOUR COUNTRY (my country! ) has for sale, many many many chemicals and a constant new stock. Keep looking!

Also, You can get ANYTHING from china. I have ordered synthetic dmt, 2c-b, AMT etc. etc. etc. from China. You can get anything! Spend a day looking and sending emails to suspicious looking chinese retailers in "marketplace" type websites.

There's LOTS!

Unlucky bredren. Definitely worth a try. From what you've said about your other tastes I reckon you'd prefer 2ci though, so no worries.



Flyboy! You're in Canada and you can't get RC's? It might interest you to know that pretty much every RC (with the notable and bizarre exception of 2cb) are legal in Canada, reasonably priced, and easy to get hold of, and also of course morally ok to do being legal For some reason my PM isn't working but a google search should do the trick for you.

A friend of mine now lives in Toronto for pretty much that reason.

--> Someone asked me you first question the other day. He said 'doesn't it get samey after a while.' The answer to that is quite simply no. Each one offers their own unique spin on "the psychedelic experience" - see the thread 'comparison of select RCs' for more insight.

If you don't compare them to things people already know then how do they get a benchmark. I mean, even with D, we're comparing it to things we have in 'normal reality' which is a very very deficient way of encapsulating the experience but the only way you can go about it.

I'm a much bigger fan of 2ci than 2cb for example. I find it quirkier, and the visuals are definitely different. Things bulge at you and the visuals hang in the air a lot more, the sky looked like frogspawn to me the other day. 2cb the visuals sit on top of the walls if you see what I mean. Acid they inhabit the walls or hallucinations are overlaid on top of them. (I make a distinction between hallucinations and visuals).

I like building up a profile of how structurally similar chemicals (e.g to psylocibin) affect you slightly differently.

---> As for the acid/mescaline comparison. I find that, despite the visuals they may offer, on a whole RCs tend to lack the profound insights of acid/mescaline. Those drugs are in their own world when it comes to being tools for looking into the self.

RCs, while they are not only about pretty colours, simply don't reach the same heights. That's why they are often referred to as 'the next mdma' in the press, rather than 'the next acid'.

I like to call the RC's 'tourist's acid' - they're a good way for me to ease friends into the psychedelic experience, and I've turned a friend onto acid who had the classic propaganda induced stigma against it, by giving him 2ci and reminding him that psychedelics are beautiful substances.

Back on thread briefly; 2cb is worthwhile and like I said elsewhere marries very nicely with K (giving stunning visuals and a lucidity generally lacking from K), but it's too busy for my liking, it makes me jumpy, I'm never fully relaxed on it, like with some of the longer lasting alternatives.

2ce is a very intense very mental experience. More mindfucking like mushies. It is definately a deeper substance. SWIM said it was the only rc he's come across to give him that.