Well, after making this thread..
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...aspx?g=posts&t=41093

..I have been finding more vendors who are also selling Alicia labled as Banisteriopsis caapi. Concidering Medicine Man admitted to knowing that what they were selling was actaully alicia, and that the supplier apparently suggested they mislable it I can only really assume that other vendors doing the same think know very well that they are doing also. It's likely all the resellers are getting this vine from the same place.

I am not going to message each one of these vendors. I dont have the time for that and personally I think this is being done with full knowledge of what these plants actaully are. Every time I find one of these vendors I will let people know becasue this is just an eyesore for the online entheobotanical culture and it's really shady that vendors would decieve customers this way..especailly when it comes to a psychoactive plant they will be consuming.

Gaiana.nl is selling "black Banisteriopsis Caapi" vine that is obviously Alicia Anisopetala..beyond that the "red caapi" looks identical to the Muricata I have..I only mention this because the same origional supplier who brought us alicia also supplies muricata, so it is likely that these vendors could be selling that vine as caapi also.

Just more reason to grow the plants.

Thanks for exposing this. How wreckless of them.
What a mindless trend this is. Possibly dangerous too.

I have often wondered if online smartshops aren't just selling
random leaves & barks as P.Viridis, MHRB..etc.

Especially when you get a dried, shredded/ground up product: Botanically
there's no way of telling this plant matter appart from other bushes or trees.


Making a fullrange extract, chemically analysing it's constituents & then checking
if it matches the alkaloid/fat/oil profile with the plant it supposedly is according
to the vendor. That may be the the only way to determine if the dried leaves, barks &
powders vendors sell are what they say they are. Or not.



Indeed all the more reason to grow sacred plants & trees ourselves. Too bad it will
cost so much energy to do so in the colder, more northern climates.
We Northern folks really need to get around that problem.

They should be boycotted for this behaviour until they officially apologize and explain, how they're going to make up for it. Betraying the psychedelic community is no joke, as it undermines everything that is valuable.

What a joke these vendors are.

I also think this is pretty widespread, I'm pretty sure that a UK and a Dutch vendor are also selling Alicia as black banisteriopsis caapi

^ Agreed with this, I have "Black Caapi Shredded" from a UK vendor that feels and looks very close to what jamie ID'ed as Alicia in his first research thread.

Hey vodsel, I'm not sure how much you have but if you extract some I will guess that you will get black/brown crystals and not tan harmala powder.

I suspected the black caapis I have were Alicia but had no way to tell as they were marked as caapi. I am extracting from kiwi's alicia now and its looking like the same black/brown crystals so it kinda confirms it for me.

if you brew it and its a weird yellow color when unreduced that youve never seen with caapi before than it is alicia. When reduced it gets darker..like a blackish brown.

Maybe contact that vendor and ask them about it. If it looks like the photos of alicia than it most likely is alicia. Sucks that people have put out money for these vines thinking it is caapi. Id personally want a refund or something.

Hi jamie,

The colour of the brew was what first made me think I had Alicia, I got a clear golden brew instead of the normal caapi colour.

yeah that is alicia..and there is a comment section on the site where people have asked why this vine is labled as B.caapi and they admit that it is alicia but they have to lable it B.caapi so that it shows up in google searches..then they justify this with saying they put the latin name for the vine in small print where many people would probly just miss it..but B.caapi IS a latin name! Just another marketing scham.

You can bet the red B.caapi there is muricata.

That's kind of a tricky question...depends what you mean.

I messaged them three days ago, no answer. I might try another form of contact or give them a few more days, I have a small amount left and I'd rather not extract it just for test purposes... When I brewed some, besides the yellow tint in the tea, effects were certainly not stronger than the ones felt with cielo caapi.

Edit..nm

Gaiana has now relisted both the "red B.caapi" and "black B.caapi" as Banisteriopsis Muricata and Alicia Anisopetala..so this good. At least this vendor has now done the right thing. This is all I care about..If everything is labled correctly now than I dont have anything else to post in this thread.

Sucks that they are not answering your messages though Vodsel..

I got no reply from mh hyphen uk dot net.

An extraction definitely does not look like B. Caapi. I'm 95% sure it's Alicia... sucks that they sell it not just labeled as "Black Caapi Shredded", which if we accepted the generic "Caapi" tag for vines could be passable, but also they describe it as "the strongest strain of all Banisteriopsis Caapi varieties" which is obviously not true for anyone who assays or extracts.

At least they could have answered my query.

^you should make a thread about them if you want. These vendors should be held accountable.

Seems that won't be necessary. I tried to message them again and they replied. They looked it up and the wholesaler labeled the product as "Black Ayahuasca", so that seems to be where the misunderstanding is.

They said it would be corrected soon.

I'm happy that both vendors decided to do the right thing

Little update - the vendor I talked about has edited the black ayahuasca page.

^^^ this vendor just agreed to swap my Alicia for some yellow/white Caapi so hats off to them.