Hi, been wondering I've heard of people with near death experiences having full on dmt-like experiences but what about through meditation.

Farthest I've gone is like astral travel, out of body experiences, and seeing colors and body high almost sub breakthrough like. But what about full on breakthrough, like indistinguishable from one of your most intense dmt trips? If one really puts in the time and dedication like buddist monks can one experience the same level achieved by smoking naturally with meditation?

Not that I'm saying it can be a replacement. I see meditation more as a tool and wouldn't make that kind of commitment if possible, but want to know if it is. Thoughts?

read this thread https://www.dmt-nexus.me...&m=428834#post428834

thanks there's a lot of interesting info on that thread, but couldn't find an answer to my question there. Similar but different subjects.

what i meant was as you can see from that thread , there is a lot of confusion over DMT and its connection to the brain , so i am not really sure if meditation has any effect on releasing DMT or causing DMT-like experiences

infact from personal experience with meditation upto 3 hours at a time i can say its nothing like DMT , even dreaming does'nt come close to the DMT experience , one can smoke DMT in a dream and trip yet the dream trip is different from a DMT trip in reality

I think it's irrelevant whether DMT is involved in the states reached through meditation. WIth that said, I posted a link in a previous thread that showed how similar regions of the brain are activated in psychedelic users and experienced meditators (for the Dalai Lama entourage, no less).

Also, I have read accounts (on this forum) from individuals who said they reached the formless jhanas and the experience was still nowhere as intense compared to a psychedelic breakthrough. Of course, there are many advantages to meditating so a direct comparison may not make much sense.

A friend of mine who is practicing psychology told me that he regulary attents seminars for holotropic breathing, which is said to be a form of meditation that helps release DMT ( not proven tho. )

many many folks have experiences without ingesting anything that can be similar to dmt, some through meditation. it happens to me often but its not anything near a breakthrough- although some claim it can be- and its different than dmt in some ways

we don't know for sure if dmt is even produced in the brain... the question of what chemicals are actually involved in this sort of thing is much more complex anyways, as you can see if you read jamies post here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OVDRYcA_sk

Very interesting points. Yes I've found natural altered states to have similarities to dmt but yeah nothing like a full on psychedelic breakthrough. Don't think its so important whether or not dmt is produced in the brain, but whether it is reaching the brain during natural altered states of consciousnesses. Thinking maybe its not dmt, or just dmt but result of different chemicals reacting together, or perhaps the brain just isn't flooded with enough dmt to get you there.

There are myriad ways to induce an OBE, through meditation, sensory deprivation, and drugs of many classes.

The claim that "since meditation can cause an OBE of a similar nature to DMT then it must be due to DMT", can not be proven, or even speculated. Salvinorin A can cause an OBE instantly, why not assume that our brain releases Salvinorin A?

One needs to inform themselves of OBEs and how they are produced, especially during meditation practices. For those inclined to google-scholar the numerous studies, look for "Sensory deprivation" (which does happen almost always during meditation to certain degrees), "Temporo-parietal junction", and "Out of body experiences".

I think if we could get some personal accounts of people who have had natural altered states through whether it be meditation, sensory deprivation tank... and that they had smoked dmt as well and confirmed that both experiences were close to identical in nature, than I think we would have some strong support towards this inconclusive theory on whether dmt crosses the blood-brain barrier and is responsible for natural altered states.

It would be a nice collection of anectodal evidence, still, not strong support. It may instigate further research (which I have no idea how it could proceed... how to detect dmt in the brain of a living human), but definitely not conclusive.

Self-reports are useful, yet, they are just hearsay.

i find this part of your post sort of odd..because the OBE's and altered states i've had through meditation, just spontaneously, or via other means, are almost always absolutely nothing like salvia, but they are often very similar to mushrooms or ayahuasca- which is the kind of altered state this thread is about. Not to mention salvinorin A isn't found in the body afaik, and DMT is.

but again i'm not assuming anything really; i don't know what plethora of chemicals underlie these 'sober' altered states we're talking about, and i'm certianly not saying that having a dmt experience without taking anything = your brain is producing dmt

You already got 'em. Look around.
The answer is No.

DMT may be the key
to the unfiltered light
but that absolutely does not
make it The Light.

I had a dream I smoked DMT once and it was just like the real thing in my dream. So I'm guessing it IS possible thru very deep meditation and possibly the right breathing technique. Which brings me to something else. Ive read that DMT is found or released in the lungs? I don't remember where I read it

Maybe the memory of DMT was triggered fully while I was sleeping. Because my mind is very strange in the dreamworld I have all sorts of deja vu and remember doing things ive never done or having dreams ive never had. If that makes any sense.

i had a dream where i smoked dmt and it working perfectly, and this was before i'd ever tried dmt in real life