I was drawn to the Nexus for a variety of reasons, one of which is the openness and acceptance of the people here. In a few recent threads, to include "Is DMT recreational?" and "DMT + Cocaine", things have gotten a bit heated, to say the least.

While I have not commented about cocaine (I have never tried it), I did comment on the recreational debate. I diligently read the entire post before commenting, as I always do. That thread ended up going in circles, which was partly my fault. During that thread it came to my attention how some can be viewed for their take on DMT, which was part of the reason why it became so heated.

There is a broad spectrum of how people view this very unusual molecule, ranging from sacred to scientific, divine to wacky mental carnival ride. Personally, I have no idea how I view it, and that's one of the beautiful things about it for me. It's so bizarre and wonderful that it defies and transcends our feeble attempts to describe or classify it.

One thing I found unbelievably frustrating is the flack that non-sacred thinkers get when they speak of or do something that the sacred thinkers find insulting. In no way do I judge anyone for how they view it, including those that put it up there on the shelf of a deity. I completely understand why one may see it this way. I respect the wisdom of ancient heritage, such as South American shamans. However, I don't always accept ancient systems of belief. I am from a different time, and think partly in terms of science and partly in terms of spirituality.

The important thing to remember is that, while I don't hold DMT in a strictly divine light, I still cherish it and do my best to preserve what tiny freedom we cling to. It's a travesty that we have to be under ground about it, but at least we have access to it for the time. One of the main purposes of this site is to preserve at least that, and I am completely on board.

To be perfectly honest though, I became so frustrated with the lack of acceptance of different views that I was on the verge of shutting down my account. I felt for a time that some folks were not very accepting of other people, though I think most people here are.

My main point is that there is no right or wrong way to go about DMT, other than those actions that may jeopardize it. I completely accept the views of others, and ask only for the same in return. This site is a wonderful place, but it only works when people accept others and understand that we all come from often completely different backgrounds, and as a result we all have very different ways of thinking.

Thank you all.

Humans will be...Humans Mr.P
Just have to throw your hands up and continue reading...
Life is a conundrum best viewed with a smirk..

MR Peabody i agree mate, people with the "my way or the highway" give me the fear. However that is our human weakness.(i think cyb just said the same thing just as i"m writing this). It sometimes lets our passions over ride our sensibilities. Don"t leave though as you have an intelligent, eloquent voice of reason and are a good at debating.

I agree 100 percent with what your saying. on that thread "dmt and cocaine" i was simply speaking my mind sharing a variety of thoughts and ideas, and seem to have been attacked for it. Wheres the love and unity. Instead of finding ways to judge eachother which just boosts the ego, how about promoting the sharing of new ideas. I wasnt trying to and probably have no chance of being upgraded from a "new member" because my ideas dont coincide with a fews own, this is 2013 people we should unite and work towards become one, not increase separateness

Don't go Mr. Peabody.



Sometimes ignoring threads is OK.

I find your opinion here sort of ironic since not long ago you were posting things like this in that thread..

"You see, plants slow down the mind to a more natural state (like in their nature) and heal, chemicals(cocaine,mdma,meth...) speed up the mind taking you further from natural state and feed the ego, plain and simple and if anyone thinks otherwise than they are misinformed or being fooled"

That comes off sounding like you think your ideas are the right ones and anyone elses ideas are just "misinformation" or them "being fooled". Those are your words taken from your post. I dont think you really meant it that way but that is how it reads to other people, obviously.

Who attacked you? I never saw anyone attacking you? I saw people questioning some of the things you posted that dont make sense..becasue you were applying your own opinions and the opinions of a few shamans you met as if they are general truths.

If you think you were attacked in that thread than please dont read some of the other threads with real trolls on these forums!

I dont think anyone was attacking you personally. It is just friendly debate. It happens. Dont be so worried about silly little things like this on an internet forum..it really is not that big of a deal.

As funny as this may sound, I just realized how true this is in the last few weeks. Without a sense of humor you're pretty screwed. Humor is one of the most important aspects to life! I'll be writing a thread about my thinking on it soon, I think.

Don't worry, wearepeople, I'm not going. My post wasn't about me leaving, or a cry for attention, I just felt like I needed to put some thoughts out there.

I've been over my frustration about it for a while, but everyone's comments made me feel even better. *sniff sniff* I love you guys!

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To comment on jamie's post real quick, I think one of the big issues that can cause anger and friction is the limitation of communicating through typing on the internet. I've said this before, but it's really easy to take people the wrong way, or be taken wrong yourself.

thanks bro, glad to hear few kind words on this thread for a change , and i did say not to believe anything I or anybody tells you, just important in life to keep an open mind and eyes.

truth is, i have always found this site like that!

i rarely read topics like that, wherever there is space for opinion, people get all uppity.

I for one am not liking the religious threads at the moment... that guy asking if christians can wank?.....

BUT the one thing that this site is amazing for is the facts. if you have the smallest most specific question on an extraction, its 99% sure to be on here someware. same with dosages, smoking methods ect act

treated as a resource, i think this site is the best thing since the hive. just gotta avoid some of the debate if it annoys you (as it does me)

I think I've posted before somewhere that emoticons can play a big part in conveying meaning and intonation in typed posts.
A few extra seconds spent clicking a smiley face can go along way in dissolving any heat from a discussion.
Know what I mean?

Funny, I wonder if my discomfort with using emoticons (as a result of lots of formal technical writing) makes me come across as wooden and distant?

I'm sometimes surprised at how worked up people get at online forums. I admin a forum for tattooers and it can get really nasty sometimes, just because of different opinions. Is the world really being made a worse place because someone has a different opinion from mine? Why am I here at all- to prostheletize? To fight? Or am I trying to make my world a bigger place by hearing viewpoints that are different from mine?

We had a frequent contributor here for a minute- some of you may remember Fairbanks- who left because he was at war in every thread- even with people who he fundamentally agreed with but differed on some small detail or another. So it was not fun for him and he left. I thought that was kind of a shame- why the war? This place can be quite enjoyable if you approach it with the right mindset. Anyone who gets into frequent arguments at the Nexus probably has a hard time with people in general.

I think you might have the slightest twinge of wood in your words, but your way of writing works well for you. The way you speak leaves little doubt about your meaning. No need to change what works! I share some discomfort in emoticons, but I've been warming up to the cute little bastards.

I do remember Fairbanks, and it is a shame he left. I appreciated his posts, and got a lot out of them, though his defensiveness was a bit rough. It's too bad, I tried telling him to relax and stick it out, but it must have been to little or too late. What can you do?

ipuma feels the same as you mr peabody

he would like to ad that, he does indeed love everything (For everything)

Wise words.

Not at all G...your correct use of grammar and punctuation only enhances your writing. You sound factual, empathetic and correct in all your posts.

The occasional smiley just enhances to overall tone..ie, humorous, thoughtful, light hearted etc.

I think it is important to convey the tone so as not to misinterpret...but it is not always easy when typing quick replies in a fast moving discussion.

As for Fairbanks...fttt. He was contrary to the max and quick to negate any opinion. Nexus is more peaceful in his absence. (imo)

Please guys, don't let a heated thread get to you. It's always a bit heated on certain subjects, and the recent one was obviously gonna get a lot of stick. I'm surprised it was allowed TBH, because it attracts a lot of negative attention, even if upon 'closer examination' it's not as bad as the over reaction made it out to be.

It's obvious that people have certain 'fixed' opinions about things, and we need to accept that it's ok for them to, even though the Nexus is about learning/sharing/expanding, people will be people!

The minute we start getting all 'hot under the collar' is the moment we need to take a break, and return when the conversation has moved on. You make your own heaven or hell when you post on forums. I guess we've all learnt that the hard way at some time or another!

The original quote from the first page that set that tone was



Now maybe it wasn't meant this way, but it came off to me that the post was saying, "well you can take it too seriously, and then I could see..." I happen to be in the camp that the experience is sacred. Call the molecule whatever you want to call it, but the experience is (can be) sacred for me, and I understand that it is not the same for others and that's fine. Now I didn't even really dig into that whole debate anyway, but I was a bit upset reading the thread, I'll admit, but such will be the nature of topics on which we all have diverse sides of experience in regards to it. I'm not completely surprised that there was push-back after that post.

Well put Global,

I just hope we all can be respectful of others views. I didn't really have any connection to the cocaine + DMT thread, but it seemed to have a similar pattern to the recreational one. The biggest divide I've seen is the split between sacred/religious and non-sacred.

One very good article I read a while ago (and can't seem to find again) was about a female shaman who practiced with San Pedro cactus. She was asked by the interviewer what she did with silly people who came along looking for a cool way to get f'ed up, and not really have the true experience. In her earlier years she used to turn such people away, but later she realized the cactus had a way of handling everyone, and sending them off with the proper mind set. I truly believe psychedelics in general have this power, as it has happened time and again with myself on cactus, mushrooms, and of course DMT. So if this is true, sacred believers can be confident that the molecule will handle people with bad intentions and may one day even change the skeptics minds, as well as non-sacred believers can be confident that so called "zealots" will find the way, too.

Of course, it all is simply a matter of opinion, and the words "sacred" and "non-sacred" do little to really describe how people think about it.

It makes me wonder why we humans try so hard to divide ourselves from others? I talked a lot to a christian friend of mine and realized a good 85% of what he believes is no different than what I do, it's merely said in different words. This was a shock, as I used to be pretty strongly against Christians in general. It made me realize, the more I looked, the more I saw this to be true of many divided groups of people/thought. It's so silly to see people so frustrated when they are arguing and saying the same thing in different ways.

Well, parts of that comment could certainly be seen as being a little dismissive. But by and large G has been making positive contributions here, so we chose to give the conversation a chance. We did actually take the thread down and talked it over, and decided to give it a chance, partly as an effort to not react in a knee-jerk fashion. But so far that thread has been more about tone than it has been about stimulants and DMT.