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Mystic0
#1 Posted : 12/27/2012 1:15:08 AM

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I posted a small trip report on this several days ago however, I'm coming to more and more conclusions about my thoughts. I had never really experience acid much untill the other night when I pushed my dosage a little more, though nowhere near as intense as I'd honestly liked it to have been it was a perfect evening with beautiful friends and a lot of understood and meant to hear messages.

One realisation was spending time with my friends 2 year old daughter, she's just learning to speak and can't quite put all the word's together to make sense but, when I removed the logic from what I was viewing the next morning after the trip something beautiful clicked from thing's that had been said and had been through thoughts.

She knows as much as me, no more no less. We are all intellectually equal in our motions, we simply have a more complex or less complex way of saying things, in the beginning we all spoke one language which was simply "being" we absolutely and indirectly felt everything we experienced and had no knowledge of language to confuse our messages, we simply felt everything. As we grow up we move further and further from this source, a child knows a cup is a cup, just as we do but they don't have the knowledge or experience to describe what they are viewing in the same way, this is why systems evolve from drastically simple to incredibly complex and why emotions stem from "being" and break down into many ways of communicating the same thing.

I asked a question while tripping, "What is the foundation of all matter" and I asked it with absolute truth, I had no bad intention in the thing I was asking and I honestly do believe that I was told the answer. The foundation of all matter/consiousness is emotion, not love. Love in itself is a word, a description of something, which pollutes truth and smashes the perfection.

At the beginning of our universe, intent was used, a drastic and huge amount of focus was required and that focus evolved from the simplest of the simple, it just >insert silence here< you cannot fathom it, behold it, put words to it, it just is. this is what emotion truly is, the material that allows the construction of words and complex systems.

The tool that allows us to change this material is intent, when we put all of our intent into something, we can perform miracles. I don't just mean miracles like, turning water to wine, I mean creating entire galaxies, universes, other beings. Moving huge objects, prolonging life, instantly healing others.

The foundations of being are emotion and intent. This is what I was told and shown, I simply cannot find another way of saying it but, I still am left with the most profound sense of peace and understanding, I'm not sure what to do with myself other than BE.

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#2 Posted : 12/28/2012 2:48:21 PM

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I don't necessarily agree with your theory that a child knows as much as an adult. They don't know what a cup is or what they are seeing until they interact with it and learn what it does and how. From birth as you get older you learn to look at new things and understand them. As you learn what new things there are you gain knowledge that helps you understand more complex things. It's more than just having a more complex way of explaining things, it's a more complex understanding of things. This increases with time through learning.

Caveman in a computer lab comes to mind. I don't know about you but I have seen things while using DMT that I cannot explain do not understand and if there were words for what they are I still wouldn't know what it is. A cup may be a cup but unless the child is taught it's use and why then it may as well just be a rock.
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#3 Posted : 12/28/2012 3:15:41 PM

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Interesting read indeed.

I do however not see how you make out babies to be as intellectual as adults. Adults have a higher brain capacity and process information much more efficiently and quicker than babies do.

Also I wonder if you by emotions mean emotions in the literal sense of the word? As in the neurocircuitry of the brain having an impact on the world around us?
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#4 Posted : 12/28/2012 3:31:27 PM

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Very nice post, Mystic.

I do agree with you.

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They don't know what a cup is or what they are seeing until they interact with it and learn what it does and how. From birth as you get older you learn to look at new things and understand them.


anrchy, what if they were born with the knowledge? What if, as Mystic said, they knew what a cup was, but just can't describe it with the words an adult could? Some human beings are very good observers and listeners, they can learn by watching their entourage at a very young age.

I invite you to read about the "Indigo Children", it's very interesting in my opinion.

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#5 Posted : 12/28/2012 3:53:37 PM

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Really nice thought play Mystico, thanks.

I have too pondered watching children but seemed to take it into a more spirtual direction in my observations and ideas. That they are still much closer to source energy than us and yes as they get older forget who they truly are.

However, your ideas, although very interesting are easily refuted with what we know about brain sciences and child development. We don't have the same brains in a sense as a baby. Ours are far more developed. attributes such as basic problem solving, vision, object recognition and memory to name just a few take years to slowly develop by growing new axions and more complex nuero nets.

I guess one could argue, although a weak one, that we really cant know for absolute certain what if a small child is as intelligent as us because we cant enter that childs mind and see for ourselves, but we can say for certain they are not as advanced.

On a different note though small children seem to have a wisdom beyond most adults by default. they dont know they have it nor can actually comprehend it but we can see it in their honesty and manner of dealing with emotions. They get upset, vent it out, and let it go. I never met a baby or very young person that holds a grudge at uncle Sally for last Christmass's shitty present. Laughing

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#6 Posted : 12/28/2012 3:57:29 PM

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Serge844 wrote:
Very nice post, Mystic.

I do agree with you.

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They don't know what a cup is or what they are seeing until they interact with it and learn what it does and how. From birth as you get older you learn to look at new things and understand them.


anrchy, what if they were born with the knowledge? What if, as Mystic said, they knew what a cup was, but just can't describe it with the words an adult could? Some human beings are very good observers and listeners, they can learn by watching their entourage at a very young age.

I invite you to read about the "Indigo Children", it's very interesting in my opinion.

Best regards,

Serge

The thing is that they don't actually know what it is, before they've tried it out.
If you were to hand a baby a cup, it would most certainly not start pouring milk into it and proceed to drink it. The baby would rather investigate the cup through touch and learn over time what it is.
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#7 Posted : 12/28/2012 6:06:46 PM

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Thanks for the post. I really liked it.

And I don't think he's saying that a child has all of the information that we do, but that a child knows how to "be" as well as we do, and I generally agree. The kid may not know how to use a cup, but they know how to react to it with wonder and imagination, which is the best way to approach most situations. Perhaps that's what the o.p. was getting at?

I look at it this way: Supposedly, all of the matter in our universe was created at the same time, in the very beginning. Since then, each atom has taken a different evolutionary path, coalesced into different forms, lived and died several times, and so on. I personally believe that consciousness and memory have been there since the beginning, and every experience is recorded somewhere in the essence of all matter. So we're each more advanced in some ways, and less advanced in other ways than everybody and everything else, due to our unique experiences, but all of us have an equally huge well to draw from. The kid doesn't know our adult information and language, but they basically know just as much about life as we do, because they've been interacting with it for the same eternity that we all have, or so I think.
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#8 Posted : 12/28/2012 7:40:49 PM

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Erase wrote:
Adults have a higher brain capacity and process information much more efficiently and quicker than babies do.


I don't know about this statement. Studies suggest that the brain of a child is many times more active on an EEG in comparison to adults. Granted, we are talking about brains in different states... but i wasn't sure exactly what you meant.

I've read/seen pretty convincing studies that show how the brain activity slows down drastically as we develop a "sense of self".

"Intellectual" is basically a term of subjective arrogance that we apply to ourselves and doesn't really mean anything. But as far as pure brain functioning, absorption of information, learning capacity and overall brain wave activity, i think the toddlers have us beat!

The great thing about toddlers is that EVERY SINGLE step they take, or breath they breathe is a new learning experience for them. Which goes along closely with what others have suggested about children being closer to "god" or the "source" or whatever you want to call it. Can you imagine the amount of pure information that the human brain processes on a daily basis? And then consider that oftentimes the information is being processed for the first time in toddlers. So the brain is receiving all of this totally new information, and learning from each new experience! Incredible!
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