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Aborting a trip with Benzodiazepines effectiveness/ Benzodiazepine MAOI interaction Options
 
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#1 Posted : 12/19/2012 10:12:01 AM

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I have heard of people with anxiety keeping a Xanax with them during trips incase they get into a bad trip and want to abort. Xanax is a short acting and short half life benzo if I'm right. I am going to take a trip on LSH (Lysergic aldehyde abbducts if you want to be specific) tomorrow and would like to know how effective the abort mission pill method is. I have Valium though. If I or my friend who is tripping with me wanted to abort, how much would you have to take? I would probably take 4 5MG valium pills seeing as it is long acting as opposed to short acting.

Also, I cannot find any information on interaction between benzos and MAOIs.
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#2 Posted : 12/19/2012 10:29:15 AM

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hello,

there a thread about aborting trips here
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#3 Posted : 12/19/2012 11:05:10 AM

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Thank you that cleared up a lot ^_^
 
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#4 Posted : 12/19/2012 12:30:29 PM

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I didn't go through the whole thread all over again. Really quickly though, according to one of our doctor senior members, benzos and MAOIs are ok. I've never taken them together, but I have used xanax to deal with difficult LSD experiences (usually I don't end up using it, it's just comforting to know it's there if I absolutely need it - which tends to stop negative experiences from ensuing in the first place), and even minimal amounts are enough to level things out. It shouldn't completely abort the trip either. It's much more likely that you'll still be tripping, but the anxiety and negativity will be alleviated. It can detract from some of the tripiness for sure however.
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#5 Posted : 12/20/2012 11:05:53 AM
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I've had a question on my mind about this topic. I have a bunch of temazepam left over from when I was using it as a sleep aid, and it didn't work out. Would this work as good as any of the other benzos for this purpose. I've haven't heard much mention of this one in regards to aborting a trip gone bad.
 
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#6 Posted : 12/20/2012 11:50:14 AM

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While it's useful to have something like that in reserve, I would'nt dwell too much on it. By the sound of it you are suffering an undue amount of pre-trip anxiety. Chill out man and choose the moment when you can say "for better or worse I'm ready for this" Besides as Global said Benzos won't abort a trip, they just mellow it out. You'd need antipyschotics to "abort" But I can tell you from personal experience ( long time ago with LSD) don't even consider it as the side effects are worse than any trip you could have.
 
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#7 Posted : 12/20/2012 11:59:24 AM

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what you need is some MTFU pills, they sort out most bad situationsRazz
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#8 Posted : 12/20/2012 7:00:24 PM

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MAO inhibition is not a problem with Xanax; harmala alkaloids however inhibit CYP3A4 which is important for metabolising xanax which means potentially an enhanced effect.Even if this were the case, in the absence of other CNS depressants (alcohol, opiates etc) or other strong inhibitors of this enzyme, the effect on respiratory drive would not be dangerous, assuming the user has no respiratory or other medical problems..

Heres the product-sheet for xanax; both this and the BNF do not state that MAOIs are hazardous with Xanax.The real hazards come from combining benzos with other CNS/respiratory depressants.

http://www.pfizer.ca/en/...s/products/monograph/205
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#9 Posted : 12/21/2012 6:12:51 AM
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I wouldn't exactly say I have a lot pre-trip anxiety, except for maybe a couple of things. It's just something good to have around if I was planning a higher dose of LSD. I don't think I've found myself in a situation yet where I'd want to use it.
 
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Maybe already solved maoi interactions:

http://www.holisticonlin...ep_interactions_MAOI.htm
 
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Oh-Hungee wrote:
I've had a question on my mind about this topic. I have a bunch of temazepam left over from when I was using it as a sleep aid, and it didn't work out. Would this work as good as any of the other benzos for this purpose. I've haven't heard much mention of this one in regards to aborting a trip gone bad.


To my unprofessional opinion , t-pam would be just as effective to alleviate trip anxiety, although it may promote sleep more than other benzos.

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#12 Posted : 10/8/2016 9:53:57 PM

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I wouldnt bet on any other compounds helping with a trip.
You never know what the hell can happen even if they dont interact.

Best thing is just to be in a good mood before.
And to remind yourself that the trip will end.

Xanxa or other will try to calm you but you will still trip your mood can overpower them.
The only way to get out of a trip would be knocking yourself out.
There are means to do that but the best thing to do is do the usual trip saving measures.
Tripsitter music relocation set and setting etc.
 
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#13 Posted : 10/9/2016 3:14:57 PM

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Ulim wrote:
...the best thing to do is do the usual trip saving measures. Tripsitter music relocation set and setting etc.
This could be of very good use in some odd vibes for sure. But not worthy of a generalization IMHO, there are slaps nothing of all that could ever save an inch Crying or very sad <-- guess how I know
 
 
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