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Posts: 81 Joined: 24-Apr-2011 Last visit: 25-Jan-2013 Location: CA
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This is a cautionary tale of someone, me, who is very inexperienced with spice and astral projection. Sorry that it is such a long read.
A couple of nights ago I had the brilliant idea to try to astral project while drunk off of a bottle of wine. I have had some OE related to AP experiences before but usually ended with me pulling myself out of what I can only describe as sleep paralysis.
I wanted to go deep and I wanted to see if I could get there, if it was DMT like.
I listened to some binaural frequencies for about an hour... after it had been done playing I closed my eyes and became very focused. And it happened, I cannot really remember exact specifics about this experience but that it was not like DMT, but it was similar. Geometric, patterns, shifting tunnels.
It put me into a shaky shock and made it difficult to sleep for hours. When I finally got to a point where it was so early in the morning that I had to get to sleep. When, I would close my eyes it was feeling of falling, tunnels and sleep paralysis would occur. I had consistent CEVs.
The only way, I think this makes sense, is that I was experiencing this for real but it also created an immense mania, .dementia with many negative thoughts, while in this state in when I was awake. After, nodding in and out of this state for hours at some point lucid dreams began to occur.
These experiences were long conversations with my mom, people in white suits entering my home to take me away, driving a car with faulty breaks and every car, man and child would try to get in the way of the car, to thinking I had gone to eat eggs when I really hadn't, voices and an inability to control the flow of my mind. The most disturbing vision was that of knowing my favorite cat was behind the door, I opened the door and noticed another cat behind him and I said THATS MY BOY, and he walked in super excited as I was scratching under his chin... and then he bit me. Then I noticed that the other cat was biting his you know what off and blood was seeping out and then a voice whispered, "stop this dream". I also noticed energy ticks by my upper temple that would make me involuntarily and quickly utter sounds. Sometimes someone would be telling a story and the involuntary tick would happen as a response. To be sure, I have thought I have noticed this before while sleeping with a sound mind, but it proves that I for some reason do that, heh.
Now for the last day and a half or more I had CEVs constantly, more of the dark fractal kind that lead into pure visions. Have felt much tension in parts of my brain I have never felt before. I am pretty sure alcohol mixed with the stress of being going on tour, visiting parents had something to do with. Just wanted to say, be careful. I am lucky I have the time to have a traumatic and powerful experience and able to recover from two days of what I could only describe as psychedelic mania. Seems to be winding down but definitely, putting off my next spice trip for months, just in case.
To top it off, yesterday a friends came over and my body was still drained from the experience, I drove her to a mountaintop. Any high pitch tone would nearly freak me out. I had Can on really low in the car, and squeak or squeal would make me jump. But, as we drove down the road a black truck came out of nowhere and was tailgating me, swerving back and forth wildy all the way into a parking lot. Stuff like that typically doesn't happen around here, made me even more paranoid, haha. Not related but funny, scary and ridiculous.
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Posts: 110 Joined: 22-Oct-2011 Last visit: 24-Jan-2019 Location: colorado
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I know what you are talking about. I have quite a bit of experience when it comes to astral projection, meditation, and lucid dreaming. I can understand that sometimes negative things happen. A long time ago someone suggested that I should try and protect myself in some way before meditation, and it has payed off greatly. It may be different for everyone, but I usually imagine energy coming in through my base chakra and out through my head chakra and continuing in an egg shape. So it comes in through my base, out through my head, and creates a bubble around me as it comes back to the base and through the head again, as a continuation. It has helped me greatly and maybe before you meditate next time you will think of a way to protect yourself.
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Posts: 81 Joined: 24-Apr-2011 Last visit: 25-Jan-2013 Location: CA
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Thanks. I think I can imagine what you are saying. You really need to create a flow. Spice usually has a flow in and of itself. While not as neat as spice, astral projection I would say is even more powerful. My energy was chaotic and all over the place and flowed for an infinity, in so many different ways,for days. I couldn't turn it off. Balance is key.
Whatever I mustered up began to lower its intensity and I had really nice dreams, this afternoon, since having these experiences doesn't give rejuvenative sleep. The last ended with an old coworker giving a speech about my new job and everyone in the medical library applauded. Pack your bags he said, your new job begins on the 23rd. If nothing happens, fine, but it would be one to remember if true.
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Posts: 1116 Joined: 11-Sep-2011 Last visit: 09-Aug-2020
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As I understand it, alcohol can suppress REM sleep, causing an REM rebound effect making dreams more intense and vivid during the later stages of sleep. In my experience, when this happens it can also increase the possibility of staying conscious during the pre-out-of-body condition, the "body asleep, mind awake state", in which many bizarre experiences occur. The key is to stay relaxed and calm during this experience. Fear tends to dissolve this unique state of consciousness. Granted, there are much better ways of staying conscious through the sleep paralysis state than drinking alcohol. Galantamine and Huperzine A are more effective and less damaging than using alcohol to achieve high-level lucid dreams and out-of body experiences. http://pubs.niaaa.nih.go...ions/arh25-2/101-109.htmQuote:Some investigators have separately analyzed alcohol’s effects during the first and second half of the nighttime sleep period. These studies found that particularly at higher alcohol doses, increased wake periods or light stage 1 sleep periods occurred during the second half of the sleep period (Williams et al. 1983; Roehrs et al. 1991). This second-half disruption of sleep continuity is generally interpreted as a “rebound effect” once alcohol has been completely metabolized and eliminated from the body. The term “rebound effect” means that certain physiological variables (e.g., sleep variables, such as the amount of REM sleep) change in the opposite direction to the changes induced by alcohol and even exceed normal levels once alcohol is eliminated from the body. This effect results from the body’s adjustment to the presence of alcohol during the first half of the sleep period in an effort to maintain a normal sleep pattern. Once alcohol is eliminated from the body, however, these adjustments result in sleep disruption. This hypothesis is supported by the known rate of alcohol metabolism, which leads to a decrease in BrAC of 0.01 to 0.02 per-cent per hour. Given that in such experiments, the typical peak BrACs measured shortly before sleep are 0.06 to 0.08 percent, alcohol metabolism at this rate would be completed within 4 to 5 hours of sleep onset; thus, the sleep disruption during the second half of the night would coincide with the clearance of alcohol from the body.
In addition to these effects on sleep initiation and sleep maintenance, researchers have found that alcohol consistently affects the proportions of the various sleep stages. Thus, most studies have reported a dose-dependent suppression of REM sleep at least during the first half of the sleep period (Williams and Salamy 1972). As noted earlier, the amount of REM sleep time is lower during the first half of the night relative to the second half of the night; consequently, the full REM-suppressive effect of alcohol is probably underestimated in most studies. To determine alcohol’s full effect on REM sleep, investigators would need to administer an additional alcohol dose in the middle of the night, thereby causing alcohol’s peak concentrations to coincide with the majority of REM sleep time. No such studies have been conducted, however.
Those studies that have demonstrated alcohol-induced REM suppression during the first half of the sleep period also have frequently found an REM rebound (i.e., longer-than-normal REM periods) during the second half of the night (Williams and Salamy 1972). As a result, the overall amount of REM sleep in subjects receiving alcohol before sleeping did not differ from that in subjects receiving a nonalcoholic drink (i.e., a placebo). As with the increased periods of wakefulness or light sleep, the REM rebound during the second half of the night is associated with the completed alcohol metabolism and elimination from the body. The neurobiological mechanisms responsible for the rebound of either wakefulness or REM sleep are still unknown.
Some studies also found an alcohol-related increase in the amount of SWS (i.e., stages 3 and 4 NREM sleep) in the first half of the sleep period (Williams and Salamy 1972). In addition to the alcohol dose consumed, the basal (i.e., normal) level of SWS in the study population appeared to be the most likely factor determining whether SWS was increased. For example, in a study of insomniacs who had lower amounts of SWS than did healthy people when taking a placebo--a typical finding in insomniacs--SWS increased when they consumed alcohol (Roehrs et al. 1999). Conversely, alcohol did not affect SWS in a group of age-matched healthy control subjects.
Another population that typically shows lower levels of SWS compared with healthy young adults are the elderly, but no studies have assessed alcohol’s effects on the sleep of healthy elderly people. In sleep deprivation studies, however, elderly participants show increases in SWS on the recovery night after the sleep-deprivation period; possibly alcohol could similarly promote SWS in elderly people. This finding does not imply, however, that alcohol should be considered a potential sleep therapy in elderly people, because tolerance to the SWS enhancement develops rapidly (Prinz et al. 1980).
Several studies have assessed the effects of alcohol administration over several nights. Such studies clearly demonstrated that tolerance to alcohol’s sedative and sleep-stage effects develops within 3 nights (Williams and Salamy 1972) and that the percentages of SWS and REM sleep return to basal levels after that time. Furthermore, in some studies, the discontinuation of nightly alcohol administration resulted in a REM sleep rebound--that is, an increase in REM sleep beyond basal levels (Williams and Salamy 1972). However, not all studies found such a rebound effect. This variability in results may be related to several factors specific for each study, including the basal level of REM sleep in the participants, the degree of alcohol-related REM suppression, the extent of prior tolerance to REM suppression, and the dose and duration of alcohol administration.
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