So a little background first, I have been extracting freebase for almost two years now.
perfecting my personal version of an STB, I can get white dmt almost everytime. (and if its not clean enough, ill re-x. As a sidenote for my previous ROAs, ive used smoked in salad bowls, and never quite mastered the use of the GVG. Only 1 in every 4 or 5 attempts could i get results, (I will one day, as others are more prone to want to smoke something awesome rather than insufflate or inject it)

I have also been an avid user of IV ROA. I, once upon a time, was doing heroin, and other opiates this way, ive also done methamphetamine this way once or twice, but given uppers aren't my thing, don't often do it. But there is a time and a place for everything, and MA's place is in a comfortable sexual environment.

What I enjoy the most about any IV experience is the instantaneous change from one state of mind to another. I liked IV opiates for what i call "the bass drop". The feeling of your brain being squeezed and releasing instant dopamine. I never got the "rush" from MA, which is why I don't have a stronger opinion of it. I like IV k for its bizarro rush.

Now to the experience, their isn't much to report about, visually. I did a small test, just to make sure i wouldn't have an adverse physical reaction WHILE tripping. 15mg produced a lovely body euphoria in which i felt like i did heroine, but much shorter, and within a few moments was at baseline. I noted a slight pain in the injection site which was later identified as residue on the outside of the needle causing a slight sting.

During my second attempt, I amped up the dosage ever so slightly. This time perhaps 25mg.
I wiped the needle with an alcohol swab, which seemed to solve the stinging problem.
I used the amount of saline .3ml instead of a larger amount previously assumed.
The drop/rush was amazing, I felt an opiate flush, a flash of intensity, and a ketamine type fog flash all at once. Instantly, without feeling the intensity of vaporized freebase.
I wish i had my glasses on, because i was seeing shit, but it was blurry because of my shit vision. (odd right)
But my computer monitor did its thing, and got transformy, and there were nets of cascading patterns. I felt a VERY calming euphoria. It was back to base-line within 10 minutes at most.

The experience was enjoyable, but i usually prefer a near-breakthru mindfuck, or a fullblown breakthrough. I am going to slowly amp up the dosage by 5mg at a time until i find a comfortable experience. I find this ROA to be the most effective use of dmt.
My opinion is that i am injecting such small amounts that I am getting 2.5x-3x the use out of my dmt, and as an added bonus, i tend to do dmt a few times within a 1 or 2 day span, and then chill for several weeks, if not several months, so the salt compound is more effective to save for those long periods of time.

I will follow up this post with more DMT Fumarate IV experiences.
My goal upon starting my DMT endeavors was to a) make the cleanest most presentable dmt I have ever seen, and b) to inject my own product safely and enjoyabley.
I now have done both, and I feel rather accomplished. My next to ask is to find the exact enjoyable amount, and the exact breakthru amount.

The standard "high" dose in the Strassman trials was .04 mgs per kg (and I can't recall if it was fumarate or HCL). He went as high as .06 initially, but found that was excessive.

IIRC, the Strassman dosage range was 0.4-0.6mg/kg of fumarate with the subjective assessment being that 0.6mg/kg was too much.The subjects were also given the dose IV over 30 seconds, rather than as a rapid bolus.

Wish I had some more medical knowledge and crystal I was absolutly sure of in reguards to purity.

I have always felt that IV or IM would be an ideal route of administration..but I would not attempt it personally all by myself.

..someday.

i was working first off of .3mg/kg, then a smidge higher, im working towards .5mg/kg
as stated in the dmt handbook pdf. Im sure whoever wrote the pdf had home-made purity in mind.
im pretty sure strassman used like 99.99% labgrade.
Ill make up a dosage reference for practical use of iv dmt fumarate after ive done several test amounts.

[Some people have noted having dark associations with IV use, or having negatively toned trips because of this ROA, but I find it the cleanest and most enjoyable by far]
I tend to think I am a very responsible IV user, and really have no qualms using it for any compound possible.

Pretty sure it was .4mg/kg to .6mg/kg, and not .04mg and .06mg
Think you put your decimal over too far.
And im almost certain it was dmt fumarate

yeah, just cracked open the cyber book and thats what it says

You are correct. My bad.

I don't believe the book actually specified what kind of salt he used though.

This is also something I would be unlikely to try by myself, although I have to admit that it is on my bucket list.

I think the IV ROA is over-glorified, often in a irresponsible manner.

I don't believe the OP explained it necessarily like this in his post, but it reminded me of some other reports IV reports i've read.

The way I see it. (Not necessarily in this post though), the message being sent across is IV is the ultimate ROA, the ONLY way to truly experience DMT, which is absolute nonsense.

This is a very dangerous message to be sending! As it encourages others to think they have to be 'worthy' to break the 'veil' once again. The intense way to experience DMT. I've heard this from members/new members on the forum myself!

NOT a good message to be sending! Especially because its absolute BALDERDASH!


One VERY OBVIOUS danger with the IV route, that the smoking route seems to avoid.. is OVERDOSAGE.

a too high dose of IV DMT can cause SERIOUS psychological trauma in the wrong person... I'm sure a few members have seen the results of this on fellow forum members...

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Aside from the fact that IV can administer a considerably higher dosage then smoking could in a short matter of time... This is the ONLY difference I perceive from the two ROAs... I never overdosed myself IV, and can safely say smoking DMT is far more intense then IV, which builds much slower. And Ive never even used a GVG!

As for the IM route, this is a very enjoyable ROA.

I don't want to over glorify it because I'm aware of the nexus' general opinion on the matter.
I did state that in my personal opinion it is my favorite ROA.

I don't believe it to be the pinnacle. Smoalking 3 large vapes from my GVG
Gets me to the same place, but with a mounting shot from cannon feeling, in this sense
Users have to have a sort of personal mental commitment to follow thru. I think this is why you might feel
This way on the issue.


I probably will never suggest to anyone IV. I have very few people in my life
Who have tried dmt. Fewer that enjoy it, and I am sure there is none that would Iv it.
Which is why I shared my opinion here, where responsible drug use, and
Proper technique and execution is not frowned upon or taboo.

Fumarate is the only solid dmt salt from what I understand, and I believe he worked with this for that very reason.

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This is why I enjoy having both freebase and salt on hand. I have to be in a very bold mood to GVG.
I have a bit of anxiety, So i can enjoy the slower buildup.
I never IM'd it, I imagine the come up is too slow for my taste. IV conserves salt better
Because the dosage is at least double to IM, but I'll give it a shot. *rimshot

I already mentioned I didn't feel you glorified it in any means.

Its just something we need to watch out for... It's dangerous.




another thing to mention.. If you consider it. Create the dosage yourself! Administer it yourself if you can, (obviously with some kind of person present). But I will say again... Its happened before..
The person that you find that is willing enough to shoot you up with drugs is PROBABLY the same guy looking for a human test subject.

I certainly wouldn't trust anyone but myself... Now that I think of it I don't think id trust myself either.


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If you like oral DMT, the slow build up, long duration, IM is very fascinating, it lasts about an hour, and can get quite intense. More of a trip really then smoked or IV

I changed the topic title to better reflect that this is the OP's personal opinion.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

@Mindlusion

How much do you weigh? How much do you use ?
Where do you inject?
This one-hour thing could persuade me to experiment sooner.

I'm female ~ 150lbs.

@other person
Also I can't do quotes too well on a phone,
but there is dmt hcl as well. This is a salt. I didn't make it even though
I had the chemicals. It seemed more caustic.

I don't feel comfortable going into detail, as it is a risky and dangerous ROA, I wouldnt recommend it to anyone. If something were to happen I would feel somehow responsible.

If your hard pressed for info send me a pm and i'll get back to you

Thank ya kindly

If think in such a discussion it's important to point out what preconditions you have to create before thinking about DIY - IV (without going into details).

You have to be able to produce a very pure and sterile solution. You don't want to shot anything caustic or infective in your vein. This could cause serious health damage in form of infection or thrombosis. This is something I wouldn't want to do without proper lab equipment, including a good and very sterile workplace.
Also you have to know how to do injections. It is a bit more than just looking for a vein and putting a needle inside. You can seriously damage your veins (e.g. thrombosis). Even at the hospitals blood bank they gave me a bad puncture one or two times and trying to adjust such a bad puncture really does not feel to comfortable.
A fellow student of mine once tried to sample some of his own blood which resulted in a leaking vein, leaving him with a big, swollen and painful hematoma under his skin. Nothing you want to have, especially when tripping. Also you could end up missing the vein or haveing a leak and inject your solutin subdermal. And finally, it is maybe not such a good idea having a needle in your vein when you are suddenly blast of into hyperspace.

In conclusion: I think nobody who has to ask how it's done has the equipment, skills and knowledge to prepare and administer IV.

On the other hand, I would be very curious about an IV drip bag if I had the chance to do this under save conditions. That way you can continously adjust your DMT level very precisly.

the neurosoup girl said that when she was in the underground lsd bunker people would iv drip dmt and "ride the wave" going deeper and shallower at command.

I've experimented with that ROA with good results. Been awhile so I forgot the weight ratio (fumarate being lighter than freebase).

The only thing I didn't like is the 'fumarate' taste in my mouth. I used vinegar to break something else down once and the same thing happened....vineger taste Plus I'm a bleeder. I would put a bandage w/cotton half way on then immediately slap it on soon as I pulled the needle out.

I still think smoking is more intense but I find it hard to smoke a breakthrough dose since I broke my GVG. To harsh for me.