i consider cannabis, kratom, nitrous, alcohal, and others recreational.


i took hbwr and completely had an experience but i havnt wanted to do it since. dmt is apparently much stronger. yet i see reports of people taking a dose a few times a day. is it fun? i wouldnt consider hbwr to be a super fun thing, it was fun at the beginning but to long and mind warping and exposing my secrets to myself for every day, or even week use.


so is dmt fun?

Can being warped into infinity ever be fun?

I think that taking DMT just for fun is impossible due to the 'psychedelic uncertainty principle' that comes with it. With DMT you cannot say: if I do this and that and take this precise dose then that will happen, it is way too unpredicale for that. Even in the same set and setting with the same dose you can have a completely different journey as the previous time.

So I would say that you can have fun on certain journeys but that due to the 'psychedelic uncertainty principle' you should never take DMT for fun.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

DMT can certainly be fun,
but,
definitely not in a sense you would view as recreational.

edit;

The Traveller is totally spot on with that. It really CAN'T be recreational due to the uncertainty the comes with it.

All recreational drugs are used in anticipation with what comes next... Well with DMT, you have absolutely no idea what comes next, except a vague emotional based memory, that usually isnt even too pleasant, IME.

DMT can be fun, but if you aren't taking it seriously I'm sure eventually you will see the power it has and learn to respect. I used it a lot at first, and I certainly made some dumb decisions. I was doing it mostly being serious but there were a few times when I took advantage and the spice whooped my ass for it. Sure you could use it recreationally, but it will bite you in the butt eventually. Just a warning!

Well it depends on the definition of recreational. The way I see it is that it could be used recreationally, for some, but for the majority it won't work out that way. The definition of its use depends on the main intent while using. Sure it's recreational in a secondary nature, but for most, it's almost impossible to not have the intent of utilizing it as a tool for further growth.

I don't see it as abuse or recreational use when ppl tend to divulge a little too much without applying moderation. It's a very interesting chemical that does amazing things to you so it makes sense that some would honey moon with it. I have experienced a soul or two that don't really have the capacity for viewing it as a spiritual tool, and its just a laser light show for them. It all depends on if you contain the ability to see into the experience rather than just view it.

I don't see it in the way that a lot of ppl see as abuse of DMT. I see it as more of a misunderstanding of what DMT has to offer, maybe they just aren't capable of seeing what most of us here see. Is this important? To you maybe, but I don't think it's imperative to create rules as to how people are suppose to use DMT.

Just my opinion based on my experience with this powerful tool.

Imagine going to an Amusement Park with the biggest, fastest, Roller Coaster in the world.

You climb in it and they DON'T strap you in. There are no handles to hang onto and your the only person on it.

The operator smiles at you and you notice there is a switch in front of him. One switch says "Slow and Easy", the other switch says "Turbo and Twisted". The operator flips a coin but you can't see what the out come is. He blocks your view and hits one of the switches...but which one is it........at this point it is too late to get off.....

That being said, I don't consider it "fun" but the experience is so incredible and intriguing, it is worth it to me. Not something I could or would want to do very often. It has been a few months, but mostly because I am in College right now. Next week is Finals, then.....

If you find exploring the unknown FUN then perhaps you may find it fun.

Fun to me is very loose subjective word when embarking into psychedelics, especially reality altering ones like DMT. As some people's idea of fun are others opposite like masochistic, sadistic, scary, demented, debauchery...etc. But I won't pick the word "FUN" apart too much and I figure your term for "fun" is a very loose general populous type of fun where its more like having a grand ole time, as you said recreational.

Spin the roulette wheel of DMT experiences and see if its fun for you. The only way you will ever know is through experience.

I have been terrified, thought I was dieing, thought I was going to go crazy, yet I also felt some of most sane contentment of love and bliss. I have been transformed for the better through some hard and yet other times beautiful lessons.

I honestly think the experiences is so far beyond comprehension using words like "FUN" would be slight injustice to the experience. Some may disagree with me. I would say give it a go if you feel the calling, even if the first time is hard/uncomfortable maybe go again after some integration and thought. Some of the craziest things may have some personal deep meanings (or not). Best wishes on your adventures!

"Fun" and "DMT" don't really go together.

This isn't to say DMT experiences can't be enjoyable. They most certainly can be. But "fun" in the sense that you are using it sounds like you are referring to "social drugs" like Cannabis, Alcohol, LSD.

DMT isn't really a social drug. It's very nature lends it to being so much more powerful than that; if one were to use it strictly for recreational purposes, it would transcend "fun" and throw you into a realm you either aren't prepared for, or shouldn't be in. Sometimes a bit of both. I can attest to this firsthand, as can many of your fellow Nexians.

I don't mean to discourage you from exploring, reading, and trying it out for yourself. It really is a very wondrous substance, and is very holy and sacred to many of us here. But it is important that you understand the seriousness of it before partaking.

THIS IS NOT A RECREATIONAL DRUG.

THIS IS NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HEART.

THIS IS FOR SERIOUS SEEKERS ONLY.



Edit: I would just like to point out the awesome community of posters that we have here at the Nexus. You guys are truly an inspiring bunch of people, and I'm privileged to call you guys my peers. Here's to 2013!

I am agree with you but I'm just wondering is there any other substance like DMT?I mean yes there are some substances cause questioning reality maybe altering reality but I guess I haven't seen anything like DMT.I'm asking because you say ''reality altering ones like DMT''.I've seen that ketamine is very weird and shocking substance and I've been in very estranged,complicated and different states and feelings with some phenetylamines,shrooms and LSD, but I have no idea about some other substances like mescaline,ibogaine,muscimol or something else.I've drunk datura tea when I was a child,it was unique and indescribable like DMT but I cannot say there is any similarity between both.So is there anything known out there that we can say in the same group with DMT?Maybe the main difference comes from smoking,maybe if we can smoke LSD or if we can take it i.v. it will be like DMT I don't know but I also don't think so.What anyone think about these?

DMT for me is fun most of the time.

Fun doesn't necassarily = abuse.

I'll agree straight DMT freebase isn't a recreational substance in the common sense, but some of the best bonding/social/recreational moments of my life have been with a close friend vaping DMT over oral harmaloids and ayahuasca's of various variety's.

We never laughed so hard, we never felt so holy.


It was fun

so is dmt fun?

Yes it's fun. But perhaps for other reasons.....

Fun to research
Fun to extract and refine
Fun to recollect, talk about and exchange experiences.

It seems this is a subjective topic. Some have answered that it is serious business and that there is little in simple enjoyment to collect from the experiences. For me this is not the case. A couple of months ago I smoked DMT daily for a few weeks, 15-30 mg doses and the overwhelming majority of those trips were simply fun, soothing, and euphoric. Another time me and my girl plowed through a couple of hundreds milligrams during a marathon night and that was by far the best night of my life. With ambient music in the background we kept laughing and talking and tripping. Mind you we that night smoked as much as 200 mg in one go, or as much of it we could fit in our lungs.

I do agree that you can't really know what to expect when you are about to partake in DMT, but for me negative or harsh experiences just are very rare. Of course, every now and then I get an extreme intensive experience which often leaves me "full" for a while. So I would say by the definition it can be used recreationally.

By this definition, I would say yes DMT is recreational. I have a job, things I have to do around the house, paying bills ect. When I'm not doing these things are when I do DMT. DMT allows me to unwind from the importance that I attach to things that are just inventions of our societal structure. DMT refreshes my body mid and soul.

I snowboard. Snowboarding is a recreational activity. What I get out of snowboarding isn't so different than what I get out of DMT, just on a different level. After snowboarding I feel refreshed, with a different outlook on things. It's not an escape, it's the enjoyment of love and life. DMT has showed me this very same thing, everytime, in a more pure fashion.

The only difference, truly, is that too snowboard I strap to a plank and move my hips around in a silly fashion sliding on solidified water.

To enter hyperspace I load a chemical into a device, heat it up and inhale the vapor.

My spice bong is my snowboard. DMT is the snow. The experience is the same, DMT just has a stronger more intellect feel to it. They both end up with the same outcome. I learn more from DMT for sure. But they are both activities that I do for the same reason... The outcome.

Intent dictates whether or not its abuse, if I snowboarded all day long everyday is that abuse if I do it for the experience and having the outcome of seeing life in all its beauty?

I seriously think that people put too much energy into how and why DMT is being used. It all boils down to whether or not it teaches you anything. If it doesn't, and you continue to use it regularly, that is the only thing I could consider as abuse, and even then it still isn't important to categorize such things.

I wouldn't say that we feel that way, per se. I think we just really take precautions into letting people know what's in store for them, and why "recreationally" doing DMT isn't the same as doing anything else recreationally.

Take this scenario for example:

Person A is taking LSD.
Person B is taking DMT.

Let's set equal parameters for A and B for the sake of fairness. We'll assume they are at a party with mutual friends and have no prior experience with what is being offered to them.

Person A is dealing with a drug that usually comes in single doses. They have a lot of control over determining their dosing in most circumstances.

Person B is dealing with a drug that does not normally (in a social setting) see the same attention paid to dosing as LSD.

This becomes a problem because Person A has a much greater degree of control over what's actually being put into their bodies than Person B (in most circumstances). Person A is probably going to be told by a friend "Just take one and see how you feel". Person B is probably going to be told to just keep inhaling until they have a Jesus moment.

Person A takes one dose and feels good. They may even dose more during the come-up due to ignorance of the drug, but with L, they are most likely gonna have a friend there for support. Probably someone who's tripping as well. So even if the trip goes bad, it will most likely be something they can recover from in a day or two.

Person B keeps hitting, and... well at this point, ANYTHING could happen. He might only catch a slight head change. He might have a Body Deconstruction Experience. He might be tortured by Satan and his fallen angels. There is no real way to tell. Assuming he enters Hyperspace, he's on his own for the duration of that experience. Once he comes back, should he need a support group, he arrives much more "battered and bruised" than someone who just took one too many hits of L.




To be sure, your circumstances are FAR DIFFERENT than the model I am proposing here. I think I speak for myself and everyone else here (and should ANYONE disagree with that, please let me know, so I can retract that statement) when I say our caution isn't directed at people such as yourself, who know what they are doing and have the knowledge of proper dosing, but at people who do NOT have that knowledge, for all the obvious reasons.

Peace and Love,

- Electric

I think it depends on what you think about the afterlife.

I don't look at DMT crystals like something external from myself. It's like I'm looking at a simple key to my inner self - the kind of inner self that you can only see when the external world has vanished, i.e. your afterlife.

The initiated know (or strongly believe, deep inside) that the afterlife is a kind of fairytale land that somehow knows exactly what you want to see and amuses you with it beyond all expectation. Magic comes from inside you, and while soberly conscious, alive, and awake it's hard to comprehend. DMT is a tool that allows you to flip inside and see the neverneverland of miraculous impossibilities of your infinite godlike mind.

But the process of initiation carries the anxiety of the unknown. Before the DMT trip, it seems serious, and the word fun cannot be ascribed then. But during the trip, you experience a type of fun that you never thought was possible, hyper-fun if you will. Amazing impossibilities happen instantly and everything you see is ultra-satisfying beyond description. After the experience, your conception of the word "fun" has been torn apart and blown up and replaced with pure bliss and amazement and joy.

So the question of whether DMT is fun poses an issue that's so much deeper than the question itself =)

It ain't fun.

It is so incredible that it scares me.

Does anyone think because the experience was fun it makes it less pure?

Do you self flagellate if you get enjoy creating life?

Is creating life fun?

Which commands more respect. DMT or Life?

Does it matter?

Just try to have fun

If a DMT journey is fun, then it should be fun.

The original question is if DMT can be used recreationally. For a substance to be used for a specific purpose, like recreationally, you have to be fairly sure that this desired effect will happen once you take that substance. The effects of DMT are so diverse (and often far from fun) that it does not qualify to be used for that purpose.

Of course, when the journey does get fun then it would be waste as to not enjoy that moment.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

You are right, I was talking about my own subjective view in the present, and I might have been biased in that way. You can only find out what works for you yourself, and it doesn't hurt to dip your toes cautiously when starting to explore something as intense and bewildering as DMT.

..'recreational' and 'dmt' in the same sentence is almost offensive!!

it's called the 'spirit molecule' for a reason..

i'm fuming and bewildered..like Huxley said 60 years ago 'heavens and hells'

and yes, people who treat DMT recreationally usually get very heavily 'thrown out' or scared off..