This is the main thing I have been pondering since my first major breakthrough with DMT. I certainly wasn’t prepared for what was to be revealed to me. If I was to not take a single hit of DMT again I still feel all my prior experiences would have a lasting impression regardless of continuing on this path and in all honesty I’m not totally at ease with this idea. Don’t get me wrong I absolutely love the way my life is going and am able to appreciate more and more as time goes on, things aren’t perfect it never will be but I always wonder if I hadn’t taken that first hit where would my life be?

To me DMT is so powerful that it can show you things about your life that can be a tool to help you make the necessary changes in your life to take back your lost power in the form of knowledge and control need to utilize that knowledge to your own benefit in ways that it even has the potential to transcend onto the people around you who have never smoked any at all.

I know people have been using entheogens for thousands of years for many different uses but why hasn’t it ever been given the credit that it so deservingly has? Obviously the ones who have the influence over the opinions of the majority of the population in this world have an agenda.

Government, one of if not the most spiritually naïve entities known to man is what has given us the freedom of religion (only in countries such as the US) with no regard to spiritual practices. A clear product of this legislation is the increase of members/chapters of the Native American and Sainto Daime Churches which are only a couple “religious” organizations allowed to practice the use of entheogens.

We can go to church and participate in entheogenic experiences only if attending an authorized permitted “religious” organization licensed through the government but we are not allowed to privately use them ourselves nor attend an organization that is not permitted/licensed.

Why isn’t a personal spiritual experience given the same respect as a group experience??? Even then the Native American Church has been given the “aka” as “The Peyote Church” which holds a certain stigma in the eyes of outside non-Indian religious organizations. It’s clear that governments want control of individual freedom and will readily cast anyone out and publicly display their faces to spread the fear that so easily controls the majority of the population; which in my view is promoting insanity.

Sorry for my rant this morning but I still am uneasy with the thought of knowing that as a human race we have been using entheogens for thousands of years and we still can’t get past the damage done from the past 50 years of misinformation. Are we really that naïve to easily brush off spirituality with craziness?

The distaste for entheogenic substances started with the early Christian church. A misunderstanding, their position was mostly based off of their negative feelings towards anything that gives intense bodily pleasure and "forbidden" knowledge. I respect all opinions and am open to anything, however this self induced ignorant state among other things and personal experiences has always put me at odds with the Christian faith, even as I was raised in it. The American Government, the Western Hypocrisy despite its open stance on religion and "separation of church and state" is deeply rooted in Christianity. The Republican party is known to be conservative economically and socially. They are mostly white male protestants. They and the powers that be pushed for the war on drugs and continued the closed minded propaganda that has turned the United States into the disgusting ignorant arrogant closed minded land of greed and violence that it is today.

Great point Knoxville but that also brings up the fact that the christian religion puts full face value to people's personal spiritual experiences and all others as quakery depending on the source. Where is the drawing line sort of speak? Why is it not looked upon in our society and any revelations associated with it are not worthy or are quickly dismissed as false?

basically it is called mind control of the masses.
you can have anything that big pharma can produce and is prescribed to you (even though it might make you worse)i,e anti depressants and such.
or alcohol, cigarettes and even gmo food.all these are harmful to your bodies but we accept them as the the options available to us.
you try to mention dmt or ayauashca to someone and they tremble in fear ,drugs.
not mind opening,creative expression or healing.
but the dirty word drugs is used.
that is how mind controlled a lot of society is.
the same goes for religion and education.
we have a lost.hidden history that we are not educated about.
the church try,s to control it,s minions by destroying all other aspects human faith and traditions.
they destroyed the shamens in europe and america by calling them witches and burned them.
anyone who thought out of the box was persecuted.
does it still go on today?yes because we are told what we eat,watch,listen too and beleive in.
the mind control started along time ago and they nearly perfected it.
but there are still a though who will think out of the box

I agree with the statements above, but I think this does not only go for Christianity. I mean look at other parts of the world where other religions rule the countries. In Asia there a lot of countries (buddhist, hinduistic, islamic) in which you will be thrown into jail for life if found with only a small quantity of weed.

I would broaden the theory to the inherent idea of religion. Most religions want us to believe in a certain idea or story (and the ironic part is that this idea comes from someone who stood for the opposite of religion itself, like Jesus, Buddha etc), without having had that perticular experience. It is the experience that makes you feel the connection with the divine, not the fact that you have been brought up with that idea or "knowlegde".

Religions have turned into dogma's, traditions, where the essence of the message they came from has been lost unfortunately.

Maybe the question is if man has this inherent greed where it wants to keep the real knowledge for himself to be able to have control over the fellow men? What I don't understand is what they are so afraid of? Humanity has such a huge potential ann until now it has not been put to use fully.

I think that's why they are so afraid of people using these substances and that is why they label it all as drugs...

Just my two cents, but a very interesting thread.

Great responses I wholeheartedly agree which also points to somethng I have always wanted to know as well.

Someone who was once athiest and having no spiritual background after partaking in an etheogenic experience then became spiritual, what was their experience or what was it that triggered them into becoming spiritual?

Exactly. It's all about control. The control is so deeply rooted it's repulsive, disgusting. It's about fear and anchoring you here to this reality, so you won't question their religion, their rules. Corruption. I don't usually feel any kind of negative emotions, but thinking about how our species has been robbed of our history and potential is enough to compel me to be willing to commit unspeakable horrors to those responsible and even to those ignorant of the truth. I cannot see an end to this. Humanity in its current state is a cancer to this planet and if we venture into the Universe with great polluting machines instead of our minds we will spread our cancer to the Universe. I would rather see the death of our race.