Not sure if this is the proper subforum.

The more I read about M. tenuiflora harvesting the more unsustainable it sounds to me...
maybe it's a good thing that it's becoming difficult to find a good source of root bark.

I've been looking at Arundo donax since it is an invasive species where I live, but the alkaloid content does not sound very promising, and extraction sounds too difficult.

My priorities in this search are:
1)Ease of extraction, and potency of plant material
2)Local abundance of the species, as well the species' ability to easily propagate itself and not succumb to any sort of decimation from "overharvesting."

My primary candidate (after limited research) is Phalaris aquatica:
http://www.calflora.org/...cgi?where-calrecnum=6416

This useful link even gives the exact locations of where to find specimens!:
http://www.calflora.org/entry/dgrid.html?crn=6416
Granted that some of the entries are 30 years old, I can't imagine the wind has blown the seeds too far.

What do you all think?

Is there a better candidate than P. aquatica ?

Let's discuss...

Plant parts used:

(Estimate) The total weight of this plant part to yield 1g pure DMT through an extraction:

Best extraction tek:


...Only for educational purposes, of course.

thanks for posting
yeah the dmt plant sources people use need to become mroe diverse I agree.. and the grasses do sound like a great candidate. it wouldn't surprise me if there was a dmt containing plant for everyone lurking somewhere close to where they live. would be cool to hear of more work being done with the desmanthus species.. as well as other the mimosa spp which I'm sure have many more tryptamine findings to come. It seems the thing irking most people in regards to phalaris extraction is the huge amounts of chlorophyll/oils, so a tek with a good reliable defatting process would need to be employed... it seems to me that salting and rebasing and pulling would solve this issue either way.. but i haven't extracted from phalaris so I'm not really qualified to say

as well as the ones you already posted, pharlaris brachystachys sounds like a very promising candidate with if i remember correctly a alkaloid profile of 90% dmt or something.. it was dmt as the main alkaloid anyway and at 1% yields. the plant even looks psychedelic too .. would be worth investigating

Check out the wiki for Phalaris for some good tips and links

Looking into a TLC to test your samples is a great idea if looking for wild samples. Otherwise there are clones available online. TLC tests done on clones and some wild samples are in the Plant Analysis and Substance Testing sub forum.

The wiki mentions a BLAB FASI or FASA route may allow to bypass defats. I can't remember if this has been tested but the. Plant Analysis and Collaborative Research Project sub forums have most of the info beyond that. A few other threads around have good info and teks and I will try to find them and get some links for ya.

I hope to attempt the BLAB route and TLC test on some wild P. Aquatica and P. Brachystachys early next year.

Yes, another good candidate might be P. brachystachys
I want to know what species would be the most reliable, because accessing clones and propagating them is very inefficient.

My idea is to create DMT "meadows" which would require at least a couple pounds worth of seed to start.

There is likely a much greater prevalence of DMT in all kingdoms of biology on this planet than we are currently aware. In the plant kingdom only a handful of species are listed as containing DMT, because those are among the few that have been tested for its presence. I would be surprised if in central/southern California there weren't more indigenous DMT-containing plants. I think it's just more of an indication that no one has really bothered to test the local plants for those compounds. I could be wrong though. It just seems like out of a region with such high biodiversity, that there would be at least a few plants renowned for containing noteworthy quantities of DMT.

Which Desmanthus species would you recommend for growth in California?

Regarding the chlorophyll issue in Phalaris spp. I recall reading through Phalaris threads on here, and some of the more experienced chemists here seemed to conclude that there was an easy way to bypass that whole issue. I don't remember what that was, but I'm sure someone will pop in here and post a link to a good Phalaris extraction tek.

Am I correct that Phalaris spp. would be the most reliable/dependable DMT plant for semi-cultivation in California?

Which would be the more reliable source of DMT aquatica or brachystachys?