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Soy sauce
#1 Posted : 10/21/2012 10:09:55 PM

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It's called Baybean, and Canavalia rosea (Canavalia maritima).

Well.. since I haven't really found much online about it, besides general info, and talk about it being a possible substitute to weed smoking, its use in many of the 'synthetic weed' stuffs as a potentiator, and its ability to intensify salvia trips.

I just stumbled upon it last night, no real reason. Just up, looking around, seeing what kinds of things I might be able to find.


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Baybean (Canavalia Maritima or Canavalia rosea) is a plant that has very little effect on its own. It may be an ingredient Spice. It is extremely good for mixing with other herbs, notably spice alternatives like fusion most of which are assumed to contain JWH-018. It also seemingly quadruples the effects of salvia and Diviner's Three (a blend whose base is salvia). All these reports must be taken with a grain of salt, because for a long time an interaction between Baybean and another herb was thought to be the reason for Spice's intense cannabis-like high, not the unreported cannabinoid agonist it contained.

Historically it has been used for many years, but not for intoxication. An infusion can be made with the crushed roots and rubbed over the skin for rheumatism, general pain, skin disorders, and colds. The beans produced by the bay bean are edible if the outer skin is removed from them and they are softened by boiling, although it is unknown and unlikely that eating them will have psychoactive effects.

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Canavalia rosea is a species of flowering plant of the genus Canavalia in the pea family, Fabaceae, that has a pantropical distribution. Common names include Beach Bean, Bay Bean, Seaside Jack-bean, Coastal Jack-bean, and MacKenzie Bean.

Coastal Jack-bean is a trailing, herbaceous vine that forms mats of foliage. Stems reach a length of more than 6 m (20 ft) and 2.5 cm (0.98 in) in thickness. Each compound leaf is made up of three leaflets 5.1–7.6 cm (2.0–3.0 in) in diameter, which will fold themselves when exposed to hot sunlight. The flowers are purplish pink and 5.1 cm (2.0 in) long. The flat pods are 10.2–15.2 cm (4.0–6.0 in) long and become prominently ridged as they mature. The buoyancy of the seeds allows them to be distributed by ocean currents.[2]The plant seems to contain L-Betonicine.

(Not to sure what this is)

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This Canavalia Rosea is called by many names, such as Beach bean, Seaside bean, Coastal Jackbean, Bay bean and MacKenzie bean.


The Beach Bean is valued as a food source and was notable consumed by Captain James Cook and his crew during their voyage around the world in the years 1768 to 1771.

These seeds have been found in ancient sites like Oaxaca, Yucatan, and Peru, dating back from 300 B.C. to A.D. 900.The legumes and leaves are notorious for being used as a marijuana substitute.

The beach bean can be found in many seashores in the tropical areas all over the world. It also can be found in the coasts of central Florida, southern Florida peninsula, southern Texas and southern California. These commonly grow in a trailing patter on sand dunes, seaside cliffs and coastal strand.

The Canavalia Rosea is an herbaceous vine with thick and fleshy woody stems. It can grow up to 20 feet long and can have stems up to an inch thick. It branches out to form mats of semi-succulent leaves. These leaves fold up when exposed to the heat of the midday sun. The white, pink or mauve flowers that look like pea blossoms appear at during spring to early fall. It has flat pods that are usually 4 to 6 inches in length and are tough and woody when mature.

The beach bean will thrive in sandy soil conditions similar to that of its habitat, though it can also do well with other kinds of soil that has excellent drainage properties.

It prefers full sun and is drought tolerant. It will require regular pruning to be kept under control. It is propagated from seeds that have to be scarified before being sowed after the cool frosts are gone. The pods have to dry on the plant and seeds are collected by breaking the pod. Mother Nature propagates these seed by floating them in the water and carrying them with the ocean currents.

The beach bean is commonly used as ground cover for areas that have poor soil condition and not enough water. It is also used to stop soil erosion. Arid areas in the continents of Australia and Africa the beach bean as a biomass cover crop because of its rapid growth. The pods and seeds are edible, but mature seeds have to be roasted or boiled before being consumed as they are toxic when at their raw state.

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It is well known to be an extremely strong potentiator of many herbs. However, it's use and the specifics of these interactions are not well documented.
JWH-018 and spice alternatives are greatly potentiated.
Kanna seems to mix well with baybean, although reports are uncommon.
Salvia and blends like Diviner's Three and Total Impact which contain Salvia Divornum have been reportedly quadrupled in effect.
Pedicularis has been sold in blends with baybean. It is unknown if this is an effective combination.

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Bay Bean is a vine found in tropical and subtropical beach dunes throughout Mexico and parts of South America.

Baybean is a fairly little known ethnobotanical, but will surely become well-known very soon. Canavalia rosea is a potent alternative for other more popular smoking herbs, already popping up in several popular smoke blends.

The Bay Bean (Canavalia maritima) leaves we carry vary in shade from yellow, to light green and dark green.

Commonly known as beach bean, bay bean, seaside bean, coastal jackbean, or MacKenzie bean.

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I've just yet to find any real, descriptions of it? The effects of it, I suppose?

But, what I am thinking about doing is purchasing some of it. I was wondering if anybody around here, I bet at least one person has(I hope), has used this before? And, I don't mean, in the K2, or the synthetic weed stuff, I mean, the leaves, or, an extract.

*Didn't really grasp the concept of the word synergy yet, but I guess I might have. Potentiator? Same meaning, sort of?
Working in harmony?Thumbs up
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Naww. MJ sandwich is the way to go the first time.
Then next time after the WTFOMG moment, realize your ready to changa things up.

It's more special that way.


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AvidGardener
#2 Posted : 10/22/2012 12:36:46 AM

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I have some experience with Baybean. I haven't yet tried it on its own, but it was recommended to me as an addition to a smoking blend. I currently grow it, and since I have ceased my marijuana intake due to legal issues, occasionally I smoke a bowl consisting of a bed of Baybean with Pedicularis Densiflora(Indian Warrior) on top. I enjoy the sedation that I have read is attributed to the Indian Warrior which has muscle relaxer like effects, but cannot vouch for the standalone entheogenic qualities of Baybean. You have piqued my interest with this post, and I am currently loading a bowl of just Baybean. I'll let you know how it goes Pleased.
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#3 Posted : 10/22/2012 12:57:16 AM

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Any imput's better than none. Very happy Thanks for the responce, AvidGardener. I'm glad to hear that you've spent some time with this plant. Even this, pushes me towards wanting to get some, a little bit more.

How is it like to grow? And I've yet to hear/read about Pedicularis Densiflora. But, as of lately, I've been looking into different plants, and their effects.

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I'd love to say too, that, Maybe a year or two ago, I used to look at other, 'natural' high type plants, and herbs, and dried leaves, and what have you, and sort of, scoffed at them. Not really even considering the possibilities.
After my use of dmt, and.. just an overall awakening to everyday life, I've came to give these, a less bias second opinion. Back then, before, I think I used to look for these types of things as more of a, easily purchasable option.. to, get wasted, if you will, all the time.
Even now, without having done any, I'm much more aware that this is not what I'm really looking for. Maybe a possible substitute to my marijuana smoking, or, more likely, an added bonus. Or, even another smoking possibility all together.

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And, are you smoking just the leaves themselves, or do you have an extract of some sort?
I'm glad I could tug on someone elses' strings of interest. Big grin
Super Radical wrote:
Naww. MJ sandwich is the way to go the first time.
Then next time after the WTFOMG moment, realize your ready to changa things up.

It's more special that way.


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#4 Posted : 10/22/2012 1:36:57 AM

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It is pretty easy to grow, you are already familiar with its natural habitat. I just grow it in my greenhouse, never had issues with it really. Haven't harvested from my own to smoke yet as it isn't very large yet. I just smoke the leaves. It is a little harsh on the throat, I can definitely tell when I smoke my mixed bowls when the Baybean is burning over the Indian warrior. I am on bowl two of just the baybean, and I am getting some sedation, a heaviness of eye lids, a warm buzzing between the temples. That's really it. It could do you more, but I don't really like to overdo anything nowadays so I'm going to cut it at two bowls and say IME baybean is an interesting possible substitute for marijuana, although I recommend it mixed with other herbs, I.E. Indian warrior, dagga, or maybe some lotus.
Only a few find the way, some don't recognize it when they do - some... don't ever want to.- Cheshire Cat

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#5 Posted : 10/22/2012 1:47:11 AM

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I'm glad you wouldn't want to over do it or anything. And, those are some encouraging results. Very happy So, it does have some, minor effects, while smoking just the leaves alone. I had hoped it would. I'm not really sure why, but, I want to go out and try some new things. Maybe buy a bunch of different seeds, and slowly grow my own, as I purchase and test other samples.

I'm really considering making my own.. changa type mixture, minus the dmt/maoi for now. Just, to see how that effects em. Really interested.

Thanks again, for being inspired by my post. Your inspiration in-turn inspires me to further my own exploration. Smile

I've been looking into some lotus. Specifically the blue and white lotus/lily. Haven't seen anything about indian warrior yet, but, I sure will. Same for dagga. I'll be learning alot tonight.
Super Radical wrote:
Naww. MJ sandwich is the way to go the first time.
Then next time after the WTFOMG moment, realize your ready to changa things up.

It's more special that way.


'DMT is not one of our irrational illusions. What we experience in the presence of DMT is real news. It is a nearby dimension-- frightening, transformative, and beyond our powers to imagine, and yet to be explored in the usual way. We must send fearless experts, whatever that may come to mean, to explore and to report on what they find.' - Terence McKenna
 
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#6 Posted : 10/24/2012 11:04:55 PM

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So, I've finally gotten my shipment in. Big grin
Oh, the things to come. There's almost to much here to know what to do with!

This baybean.. is quite something.
I packed a bowl, and started off. That first hit, seeing as how I've never really smoked much else, besides weed, salvia, dmt, tobacco, that first hit tasted quite strange. From what I can remember, we used to have a little herb shop around town here, and that smell.. the inside of that store, smelled almost exactly like this stuff tastes. Not to bad, but, different. Earthy, sort of sweet, sort of dry. The second and third hit, tasted much better. After the second hit, I could feel my throat start tingling a little bit. Sort of numb, liiike.. swallowing a bit of novacane in the dentist office. But, nice. I started feeling quite mellow. It resembled a weed high, but only slightly. No foggy head. No real.. dumbing down effect, for lack of better terms.

At first I thought it was all a placebo effect, because it was almost to little to tell. But, after I stopped worrying about it, and thinking, it started to come out, a little more.
It's nothing like smoking some real good weed, THC 15%+, or even some decent weed, but, it's definitly something different.

I enjoy it.Very happy
Once I test out some others, I'll definitly use this in the mix I'm planning on making.

I really want to test out the salvia claim too. It has the potential to quadruple the effects from salvia alone. I'm quite interested in that.
It sounds like some sort of synergy effect, like dmt and the Harmalas.
Super Radical wrote:
Naww. MJ sandwich is the way to go the first time.
Then next time after the WTFOMG moment, realize your ready to changa things up.

It's more special that way.


'DMT is not one of our irrational illusions. What we experience in the presence of DMT is real news. It is a nearby dimension-- frightening, transformative, and beyond our powers to imagine, and yet to be explored in the usual way. We must send fearless experts, whatever that may come to mean, to explore and to report on what they find.' - Terence McKenna
 
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#7 Posted : 10/25/2012 6:07:26 PM

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About two hours after I smoked a little over a bowl and a half, last night, I had to go meet my brother at college, and drop some things off for him.

The ride up there.. It was weird. I've been in the house the whole time, so, the effects of the Baybean, ya know, seemed like they could do all they did.

Maybe it was me moving, maybe it was the fact I was outside, whatever it was, I was quite euphoric. And, I don't mean that in a hardcore, mind altered way.
Everything was great. I was so happy, at just.. doing anything. The songs that came on the radio, I loved every single one of them. Even if I really didn't.

My mind. It.. was like it was sharpened. It was mild, but it was noticable. It felt like this stuff took the edge off of thinking. It was just easier. My thoughts just came to me, right when they should. Everything was, brighter. Mentally.

Great stuff.
I can't wait to try this 25x I got. He sent it to me for free! Accidentally or not, it's strange. Baybean was the whole reason I started buying Herbs. And, somehow, it seems like he knew that. Or, something knew that.
Super Radical wrote:
Naww. MJ sandwich is the way to go the first time.
Then next time after the WTFOMG moment, realize your ready to changa things up.

It's more special that way.


'DMT is not one of our irrational illusions. What we experience in the presence of DMT is real news. It is a nearby dimension-- frightening, transformative, and beyond our powers to imagine, and yet to be explored in the usual way. We must send fearless experts, whatever that may come to mean, to explore and to report on what they find.' - Terence McKenna
 
 
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