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#1 Posted : 9/30/2012 10:44:12 PM

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It's taken me a little while to gather the will to post this, but I think it may be worthy, of at least my own, future studies.

Ok, I've gotten slightly used to the onset, and almost total dissolution of my senses/everything normal under the embrace of dmt. I've gotten slightly used to dosing at around 30mgs. Seems to shoot me farther than I'd ever want, and exactly where I need to be, at the same time.

When I start getting my sense back, at least, partially, I've began to notice that if I focus on either, a specific point/object or a specific pattern array, it seems as though things start to break down. By breaking down, I mean.. for lack of a better term, the space/time at that one specific point I'm focusing on starts to morph, and fade. The reality of that object, or that part of the wall, begins to cease, and, only that one spot begins to vibrate, immensly.

I know this sounds insane.. and as I'm writing it, it sounds even more insane to me.Razz

Let me put it another way.. to make it make more sense for me.. lol, more than for you I suppose.

Ok, you know how 'telekinesis' is suppose to work? You're focusing on a specific object, enough so that it may possibly eventually move. You're focusing all of your will, onto/into this object. And, it moves? Not saying this is something I can do, but, more, this is something that relates to the feelings and impressions I get from my own little experiences.

I was pretty out of it. Don't really remember that last trip into hyperspace to much, but, I do remember begining to get my senses back, and loving every minute of it. I sort of, zoned out. Started focusing totally on this one pattern that appeared on my wall. A paisley type pattern, is the closest I can come to naming it. But.. it wasn't really like that, exactly. The letter E comes to mind, over and over. It's some tyyype of paisley, I suppose. But, I kept all of my attention, all of my focus, directed at those patterns. One spot specifically, so I could see it all, flowing back and forth, growing. I kept focusing, harder, and harder, and I almost got stuck in this.. like loop. But, it wasn't a loop so to speak, it was, more, just total zoned out, but I knew what I was doing.

So, I'm giving these patterns my total and undivded attention, and everything in a two foot radius around the spot I was focusing on starts to vibrate. Left and right. I started to get worried that that might actually be messing with or harming the snake I have, her tank is right next to this spot. I quickly shook that feeling and gave everything back to focus. Things started to dissolve, everything turned into atoms, or sand, it looked. Just total disassembly of all the matter around this spot. Re-focus. That can't happen. It's not real. Then.. light just started pouring in from the wall from this spot, and two feet around it. Everything around there got brighter and brighter, but every other part of the room was normal. No extra light, no weird patterns. Periferals told me that. This light, just kept getting brighter and brighter, and things started to fall off the wall. The glass from the tank started to turn to atoms, and slowly fall away.

I thought, "Am I really f*cking doing this? There is no way in hell my mind is tearing a hole in space/time. Get real"

Then the wall ripped open.

And there was such a white light coming from that rip. It felt like my head was shaking at this point. My vision was getting slightly messed up, and everything else around this rip was sort of, distorting. (When you're watching something on tv about black holes, and an item gets sucked into that black hole? That instant right before, when it stretchs out, and warps.)

I thought, this is getting a little to real, even for a trip like this, that I'm totally coming down from. NOT going up.

My focus faltered a little bit, and everything went back to normal, instantly.

I was.. so sooo amazed by what just happened. Something like that's never happened before.
I had this weird little pressure, almost in the middle of my forehead, for the next 24 hours. It was like a headache, pressure wise and all, but with no ache whatsoever.

Now.. I'm not sure if this would be better put in the trip reports, or general discussion, but I decided to put it here.

I guess my questions are, has this ever happened to any of you before? And, well, it's almost funny to ask such a question.. but is this sort of thing even possible? If I kept my focus on that point long enough, would something real have happened?
I'm really not suggesting that such a thing could happened in the real, physical world, but the way this stuff has changed the way I think about alot of things, some trivial, some, not so trivial, it just makes me wonder.
What is this stuff.. really.
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#2 Posted : 9/30/2012 11:06:22 PM

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These drugs have a way of making thoughts and perceptions much more tangible. To the point where yes you can just grab them and to an extent do what you want with them. It really is brilliant.

These kinds of pyrotechnics are fun but they can be distracting.
 
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#3 Posted : 10/1/2012 1:29:19 AM

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It's completely congruent from my experiences that where you focus your attention is where the energy/patterns/holograms are directed. If you focus on a spot at first, it may start to wiggle, then a pattern may start to emerge and then a hologram will bloom forth from that at which point it can move about my external space under its own volition.
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#4 Posted : 10/1/2012 4:07:40 PM

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Where ones attention goes, their energy flows.

Was the pressure in your head more towards the front(right behind your brow) or the center of it?
 
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#5 Posted : 10/1/2012 6:30:53 PM

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Thanks for the variety of responses. I honestly didn't think I was going to get many, being such an out there concept, and topic of discussion and all. Very happy

@slewb
It really is quite brilliant, the whole aspect of it. It's amazing the kinds of things this substance can do to us. I've had some thoughts about stuff similar to this over the past day or so, and these ones are even more out there.. I'll elaborate a little. I might even start a new topic on this.

What if, the molecular structure, of certain types of molecules, substances, actually contained some sort of information. This brings me straight to T. Mckenna, and how mushrooms apparently told him everything they had to know. All of their information. What if... dmt has this same sort of property? There's no way to possibly test this theory, because the way we test things these days, there's no basis in.. well, something, to be able to come to those sorts of claims. Molecules holding vast amounts of information? Just like our DNA strands? I'll make this into a new topic, soon enough, once my views and ideas fully form.

And yes, those sorts of things, the patterns, and spacial distortions are extremly fun, but they are amazingly distracting. At the time I did/experienced this, I was a little to frightened at the time to fully join with hyperspace. No closed eyes on that trip.

@Global
I've yet to have these 3D holograms you speak of encounter me, but, that sounds quite similar to what I was attemping. For me, it just got, to crazy, almost. Things were vibrating at such a speed that I thought things were going to start falling from the walls, and off of dressers and such. I fully, 100% believed, that something was going to happen if I kept all of my focus and energy aimed at this one spot. I had to shift focus, because it was getting to intense. Light was shining through like nothing I've ever seen before. Like.. staring at the sun, but.. you're 45feet away from it.

@URBY
I like that little line.. Smile, I honestly felt as if all of my energy was going to this point as well, draining me, but not draining my attention. Maybe that's why everything became so bright, and I got pretty scared at that point. I could feel my energy flowing away, and to, this point.
And, that pressure was more towards the front of my head. Almost like.. a bubble was forming there. Just enough for me to notice it, but not enough for it to hurt. Almost like, something was pushing its' way to the front of my head.
Super Radical wrote:
Naww. MJ sandwich is the way to go the first time.
Then next time after the WTFOMG moment, realize your ready to changa things up.

It's more special that way.


'DMT is not one of our irrational illusions. What we experience in the presence of DMT is real news. It is a nearby dimension-- frightening, transformative, and beyond our powers to imagine, and yet to be explored in the usual way. We must send fearless experts, whatever that may come to mean, to explore and to report on what they find.' - Terence McKenna
 
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#6 Posted : 10/1/2012 10:34:02 PM

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Funnily enough, after my first leap into hyperspace, I went to a friends house to get some weed, it was the first time I'd smoked up since my trip, I didn't expect to have such an intense result.

I was high to the point of stupidity, so high it felt like the first time I'd ever smoked marijuana in my life, it felt like an acid trip. Everything around me vibrating.

I looked over to his mixer which sits next to him on a tower where he usually smoked up and started to focus on one of the faders, I was thinking about telekenesis and if it were possible in the real world, the more I concentrated on one spot the more high I felt and the more I felt myself losing contact with my physical self. The vibrations increased and I honestly believed at that point if I had continued, the fader I was 'willing' to move would have moved. Unfortunately I started to freak out hugely at this point. I hadn't been this high for many many years and it was incredibly intense, worrying and most of all I was convinced I was about to be sucked out of my body and launched back into the DMT space.

If this is anything similar to what you're talking about please let me know, it sounds very familiar.
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#7 Posted : 10/1/2012 11:10:16 PM

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No such thing as crazy. Just a title used to sort what can't be commonly understood.
 
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#8 Posted : 10/1/2012 11:42:32 PM

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Mystic0 wrote:
, it was the first time I'd smoked up since my trip, I didn't expect to have such an intense result.


THAT, sums up almost every time I smoke up, at the most, 24hrs after I Travel.
The veryy first time, after I really went in deep, I had almost thought I dropped a little bit in the bowl too. Very happy, like the first time I smoked ever, plus acid.

It was.. some sort of feeling of losing contact with myself. When I was focusing on this point. I almost forgot I was there. I was just a point, maybe even nothing, at that point. I think that had something to do with me coming back out of it too. That, and the realization that I might possibly be ripping holes in space in the wall, and.. such a thing probably wouldn't be good to live with.
But,
Mystic0 wrote:
The vibrations increased and I honestly believed at that point if I had continued, the fader I was 'willing' to move would have moved.

that, almost sums it up exactly.
The vibrations I felt, they just kept getting, like.. more focused. Higher pitched. Like, an engine reving up to the max. And, they just kept going on past that. I started to feel them, and, almost hear them. They started getting past just the vibrational stage and were going so fast noise became clear to me. Now, when I say 'they', I don't even know what that means, besides, whatever was vibrating, of course. I genuinely thought it was going to happen. No question about it.
I kind of feel like if I kept going with it, I would have, for lack of a better term, forced, a hyperspace journey, open-eyed.
I kind of think I sort of knew that too, while it was happening. When I stopped, and refocused on everything, it all stopped, instantly. No reverb or anything, no slow, droning out, just, bop, done.
After it was all over with, I wanted desperatly to go and try that again, but redosing caused no such thing. And I haven't been back since. But I'm planning on attemping again if I can recall.
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No such thing as crazy. Just a title used to sort what can't be commonly understood.

Thanks. I like the way that's put. It's nice when some ideas that seem insane and crazed to some, seem just a little bit different to others.
Super Radical wrote:
Naww. MJ sandwich is the way to go the first time.
Then next time after the WTFOMG moment, realize your ready to changa things up.

It's more special that way.


'DMT is not one of our irrational illusions. What we experience in the presence of DMT is real news. It is a nearby dimension-- frightening, transformative, and beyond our powers to imagine, and yet to be explored in the usual way. We must send fearless experts, whatever that may come to mean, to explore and to report on what they find.' - Terence McKenna
 
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#9 Posted : 10/2/2012 12:29:48 AM

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To my knowledge the area just behind the brow is where our pituitary gland is located. One might consider this gland our "third eye". I personally believe this is where closed eye visuals come from.

 
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#10 Posted : 10/2/2012 6:44:54 PM

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I've heard about the pituitary gland as well, and its' possible link to the third eye. But, the way I've heard it, is usually inbetween pineal gland explinations. For everyy.. three or so times I hear about the pineal, I'll find something about the pituitary. It seems like it's the road less traveled on. But, that could also mean it's, the harder of the two to fully explain. And, most people want an easy answer to their problems.

It's been a little over three days, and, every not and than, I can still feel the pressure. It's, like a bubble, inside of a water balloon.

Also, in hinduism, where they put the Tilaka, more specifically, the Shudra tilaka, That's where I feel this pressure.
Super Radical wrote:
Naww. MJ sandwich is the way to go the first time.
Then next time after the WTFOMG moment, realize your ready to changa things up.

It's more special that way.


'DMT is not one of our irrational illusions. What we experience in the presence of DMT is real news. It is a nearby dimension-- frightening, transformative, and beyond our powers to imagine, and yet to be explored in the usual way. We must send fearless experts, whatever that may come to mean, to explore and to report on what they find.' - Terence McKenna
 
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#11 Posted : 10/14/2012 1:32:24 AM

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Soy sauce wrote:
@slewb
It really is quite brilliant, the whole aspect of it. It's amazing the kinds of things this substance can do to us. I've had some thoughts about stuff similar to this over the past day or so, and these ones are even more out there.. I'll elaborate a little. I might even start a new topic on this.

What if, the molecular structure, of certain types of molecules, substances, actually contained some sort of information. This brings me straight to T. Mckenna, and how mushrooms apparently told him everything they had to know. All of their information. What if... dmt has this same sort of property? There's no way to possibly test this theory, because the way we test things these days, there's no basis in.. well, something, to be able to come to those sorts of claims. Molecules holding vast amounts of information? Just like our DNA strands? I'll make this into a new topic, soon enough, once my views and ideas fully form.

And yes, those sorts of things, the patterns, and spacial distortions are extremly fun, but they are amazingly distracting. At the time I did/experienced this, I was a little to frightened at the time to fully join with hyperspace. No closed eyes on that trip.

Yeah we see these visual phenomena and try to attribute meaning to them rather than find the greater meaning hiding behind them them... at least that has been my problem Razz. These are manifestations of something that is much more profound. When I first told my master that I was seeing auras around people after extensive and intensive meditation he told me "Do not entertain yourself. Do not become distracted." With psychedelics I often end up entertaining myself, but it's something to keep in mind no matter what you're doing.

As for molecules carrying information I think such a thing would be highly improbable... I still believe in physical laws to some extent! More likely what they are doing is removing all of the layers of your "self" that you have built up over time... basically all of yourself when you get right down to a breakthrough. And then without the self, what is that? Objectivity? Does such a thing even exist? This is where I stop believing we can find answers.
 
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#12 Posted : 10/18/2012 12:12:28 AM

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your pituitary gland is located below and foward of your pineal, below the optic chiasma.
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