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kenji
#1 Posted : 9/18/2012 1:17:22 AM

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Hi everyone!
First of all i want to say that this website is like an enciclopedia of wonderful informations, so thank you for mantaining it, i'll probably donate soon something. Pleased

Second, i signed some days ago, and i already read ALL the FAQ page, all the STB extractions (i'm interested on it), ALL the sticky posts linked throughout the FAQ, a lot of technical discussions (also in other forums) about the chemicals involved in the extraction process.. so... a lot of reading for me in the last few days, literally for 4-5 hours/day.. and in a language that is not mine.. quite hard though.. Then, i saw The Spirit Molecule documentary, plus something like dozens of video-experiences, advices on how to smoke DMT properly, etc etc etc.. Now i think i know almost everything i need to know in order to start.. Smile

I want to say that i don't smoke, don't use drugs at all (nor alcohol), but lately i became interested in DMT, watching a little video on youtube that talked about it.. I was always attacted by the "sensation" of living in the matrix, if you know what i mean... My biggest questions of everyday are about universe, the creation of the human beings, aliens that colonized the earth million years ago, the meaning of life, "where" the hell we are living and why.. etc.. And DMT seems to have that "something" special that could, maybe, help me to find some answers... Or, i really hope it, i'm not in the research of entertainment from this "drug", since i consider it something spiritual, even if i never tried it..

At the moment i'm 25 and after a period of studying theoric mathematics and working (when i just lost my time), now i'm going to start a new path as student of chemistry, and i hope this will be the right way for me this time.. don't want to waste my time anymore.

Anyway, now that you know something about me, i would like to ask to you a technical question about the solvents involved in a STB extraction.
I've ordered my first bunch of MHRB from ----- (you probably know that website, and i hope i'll receive my mimosa, it seems that they had some problems in the past....), so during the wait for it, i'm starting to buy the other things that i need, and i've got almost everything. The only thing that i'm missing at the moment is the solvent.
I read everything about the best ones, etc etc.. Now, because i can't find pure naphtha or heptane or anything else in my country (i live in EU), i ordered some Ronsonol from a big seller on eBay, but because they are not replying to me, i went to a DIY store to search something by myself, something that could be ok as well even if it's not pure naphtha..

So, at the end i found 2 products that seems to be quite in accordance with your advices:

1)The name traslated is something like "Epoxodic Thinner" , and in the Ingredients is written: TOLUENE , XILENE.. Nothing else.

2) The name is SYNTIACOL, and in the ingredients it says:
Naphtha solvent (petroleum) light and aromatic, Toluene. Nothing else.

Now, i know that if i want to be sure that a solvent is good or not, i should just buy it, let it evaporate and see if will leave any residue.

Anyway, i'm interested in your opinion about these two solvents, what do you think about them? Could they be ok?
In my personal opinion, the 1 should be ok, since xilene e toluene seems to be good solvents, even if they'll leave some yellowish things at the end, because i know they bring with them more alkaloids.. My concerning is about xilene and toluene together... Are them ok together?
The 2 in my opinion could be better than 1, since the biggest part of it seems to be light naphtha, with some toluene. But here i have two worries:
1) Could the fact that it is aromatized be a problem? I mean, if there are other molecules in the compound that comes from the fragrance, couldn't it be "dangerous" in some way?
2) Again, naphtha + toluene can be considered a safe combination?

I never read nothing about two solvents together here in the forum, so that's way i'm concerning about it..

Lastly, i want to clarify two things:
1) I'm absolutely interested to obtain shining white and pure crystals, as much near to 100% DMT as i can. It's a matter of principle, i try to go to the base of the things, in every aspect of my life..

2) Everything written above was written by SWIM, of course.



Every kind of help will be more than appreciated!
Thank you all!!
Kenji


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thisformihold
#2 Posted : 9/18/2012 2:45:25 AM

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I felt compelled to say hello to you Kenji, even though I don't have any specific information to give you regarding the solvent you mentioned. I just wanted to comment and say that I know how you feel about living in a "matrix" of sorts. That idea really resonates with me for some reason. That movie has had an effect on a lot of people, myself included. I can say from my experience with spice that more than a few times I have felt or been given the impression that this world is "digital" for lack of a better word... She is a powerful tool and I think you're asking the right questions and taking the right approach.

I wish you luck and blessings in your journey.
 
kenji
#3 Posted : 9/18/2012 9:15:02 AM

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Thank you very much thisformihold, it's comforting to know that someone else feels my same feelings.

I really, really hope to have any kind of answer from this spice, or any kind of more complex question at least.. who knows.. But i'm asking these questions to myself from something like 10 years, and now i came here by myself.. I like to think that it's because i'm ready to breakthrough.. Smile
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#4 Posted : 9/18/2012 2:15:08 PM

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I can't speak to combining solvents, but if you're looking for purity, using xylene or toluene, you'll be evaporating the solvent, which seems to leave you with a greater amount of DMT-oxide. In my personal experience, naptha freeze precip gives me a more pure, white product, and then you'd want to recrystallize for maximum purity.
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#5 Posted : 9/18/2012 2:26:17 PM

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Welcome to the Nexus!

The two will work but you wont be able to freeze-precipitate your solvent. Aromatic just means a certain cyclical chemical structure. Notice xylene:


It is aromatic, and so is toluene. Naphtha, on the other hand, is usually composed of aliphatic hydrocarbons like the non-cyclical pentane, hexane, heptane, octane etc isomers:


(Hexane)

So what happens is that aromatics like xylene and toluene will be more "broad-range", dissolving also more plant oils, as well as other alkaloids of unknown activity that are present in small amount in mimosa. But you wont be able to get white crystals of this mix, you'll have to evap and get a possible goo or wax, or you can salt out with FASA or FASI and then get your precipitated DMT fumarate. DMT fumarates can be converted with water and sodium carbonate to crystal DMT, check BLAB tek for more info.

Specially the aromatic solvents smell a lot so I recommend against evaporating them, rather salt with FASA/FASI or at least with vinegar and later convert to freebase, as BLAB or other conversions in the wiki mention.

Feel free to ask any further question.
 
kenji
#6 Posted : 9/18/2012 3:14:24 PM

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endlessness wrote:
Welcome to the Nexus!

The two will work but you wont be able to freeze-precipitate your solvent. Aromatic just means a certain cyclical chemical structure. Notice xylene:


It is aromatic, and so is toluene. Naphtha, on the other hand, is usually composed of aliphatic hydrocarbons like the non-cyclical pentane, hexane, heptane, octane etc isomers:


(Hexane)

So what happens is that aromatics like xylene and toluene will be more "broad-range", dissolving also more plant oils, as well as other alkaloids of unknown activity that are present in small amount in mimosa. But you wont be able to get white crystals of this mix, you'll have to evap and get a possible goo or wax, or you can salt out with FASA or FASI and then get your precipitated DMT fumarate. DMT fumarates can be converted with water and sodium carbonate to crystal DMT, check BLAB tek for more info.

Specially the aromatic solvents smell a lot so I recommend against evaporating them, rather salt with FASA/FASI or at least with vinegar and later convert to freebase, as BLAB or other conversions in the wiki mention.

Feel free to ask any further question.


Thank you very much endlessness for your deep explaination!
So, it seems to be complicated to obtain a freebase using xilene or toluene..
Before starting to use longer teks for the extraction process, i would like to follow a simple STB in order to learn the basics of the process and become confident with the chemicals. And then maybe i'll go deeper using an A/B tek, or something else..
But using this FASA/FASI tek, then obtaining fumarate and then converting fumarate to freebase seems to be too much at the beginning.. I'm not very used to use chemicals, so, in the end, i think i'd better find some simple Naphtha is some way.. Smile

Thank you again!! I hope to receive answers from you to my next theoric questions.. Pleased
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#7 Posted : 9/18/2012 6:31:20 PM

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My recommendation would be to look into Q21Q21's dry lime tek. It's safe, quick and easy with great results.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein

"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead

"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
 
 
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