Does anyone have any thoughts on this one? Have you tried it, or do you use it regularly? Any advice on the matter.

I've recently been majorly cutting down on social alcohol use and am now considering giving it up completely for health reasons. I have been reading about GHB and it seems like it could be a good drug to use in social situations as an alcohol alternative. Sensuality, mild euphoria, a tendency to verbalize, silliness and giddiness without a hangover. And apparently no health concerns for occasional low dose use. Sounds pretty good, if true! I have heard some nasty stories though.

I tried a couple of mls the other night and found it to be quite enjoyable. Anyways, what do you guys think?

I would stay away from it. It is extremely easy to pass the line where you can fall into a coma. We used to take one water bottle cap full, and that was like drinking a 12 pack or a case of beer. One more, and then you fall into a coma, I have seen people lying in front of buildings or on the sidewalk with their limbs all twisted comatosed because they passed the line. We would say that they were 'in the hole'. I had to rush my friend to the ER for taking too much, he was convulsing and throwing up after not that much, he weighs close to 300 lbs. You can make up your own mind, but I would advise against it, it is much too strong in my opinion, or in other words, a little bit too much can have you in a coma. Try low dose psychedelics instead, no harm there unless you are driving.

Peace.

Thanks. That is a little scary! I have 5ml vials though so I know i would never be taking more than that. Although i have heard that to be a fairly large dose.

Maybe a low dose of mesc for social situations then

i've always been a little curious personally. just kinda want to see what all the fuss is about. is it true that our bodies convert msg to ghb? i think i remember reading that somewhere.

be safe.

I've had many years experience with this and while it is very nice (1 cap is enough for a dose in coke...tastes terrible), I've also known more than 1 friend that has died due to overuse...
Just DO NOT mix it with alcohol...recipe for disaster..

Not something you want to get into full time..

I used to use GBL occasionaly, then too often. ( converted to GHB in the body) It's a nice high, sociable, almost XTC-like in effect.
Has anti-aging properties via induction of increased levels of HGH ( human growth hormone) Also good for sex.

But..... the downside is : it's highly addictive and the withdrawal makes Heroin abstinence a la "Cold Turkey" feel like a walk in the park. GBL ( mostly manufactured in China for shady online vendors) can pack an awfull cluster headache .
I stopped using it some years back and will never touch it again.

remember x1 a week probably still too often for your own good.

Good luck

Before anyone jumps into this, please read this post. This is one chem I highly advise against experimenting with. The main reason for this is due to the fact that the line between a recreational dose and a death dose is extremely thin. Although, there are a few other reasons as well. Unless you're somehow getting "medical grade" sealed and labelled vials or synthesizing the stuff yourself, source is always an issue with GHB/GBL. What I mean by this is that you will generally have no idea how concentrated or pure your stuff is, which makes dosing accurately (which is very important) very difficult. Another issue to consider is physical and mental dependence. I've watched way too many people become addicted and show many dysfunctional signs of it and have lost two very good friends (and almost my own life) to this chem.

Let me tell a short true story depicting how easy it is to get into hot water with GHB/GBL. I used to be what I would consider good friends with a guy who owned a gym. These gym rats used small quantities of GHB pretty regularly so they had easy access. He used to sell me 20oz water bottles of the stuff at a decent price. Especially for quantity. Anyways I'd been dabbling with it a good bit around this time. One single cap from a 20oz bottle full of the stuff would usually knock someone on their ass. Two to three caps might be necessary to get the same effects for someone who has developed a tolerance.

One night myself, a girl I was with, and two other friends decided to dose and go to a Braves baseball game. I had a tolerance at this point and ended up taking two and 3/4 caps. The girl with me took two and our other two friends took one. I'd taken up to 5 1/2 caps of various batches prior to this night. This was completely different. Much much stronger than previous batches. The girl who ate two caps and myself were both totally unconscious before the first inning was over. This scared our extremely intoxicated friends and they dedicated the next four or five innings to trying to wake us up to no avail. Eventually this drew staff attention and paramedics were called.

They started doing very aggressive sternum rubs on us both (I had crazy bruises the following day) and finally the girl I was with gained consciousness but she was way out of it. They asked her what we took and she didn't remember dosing the GHB. She did remember drinking a clear liquid and told them we had drank vodka. They proceeded to take out and crack multiple strips/tubes of some extremely strong smelling chemical and holding them under my nostrils. Any person under normal conditions could not inhale this stuff without choking and showing obvious discomfort. I had no reaction. Getting frustrated, they shoved one of these in each nostril and continued with aggressive sternum rubs. About this time is when my friends said I started seizing/convulsing violently. This didn't stop until I regained consciousness.

The paramedics immediately went and got a stretcher to load me in the ambulance waiting in the parking lot. This caused a big scene and was displayed on the big screen and a small portion was seen on national TV (try explaining this to family and friends). Right as they were about to load me up, the girl I was with remembered that we had taken GHB and that I had taken 65mg of Methadone the previous day. She told them and they immediately injected me with Narcan to reverse any lingering methadone CNS depression. This is about the time I regained consciousness. My whole body hurt and I vomited a few times in the back of the ambulance. I didn't remember dosing at all and thought some kind of serious accident had occurred.

When I finally arrived at the hospital they immediately hooked me up to an EKG machine. The guy running the test was astonished and kept calling all of his associates over to view the results. I was told I was extremely lucky I hadn't already had a massive heart attack and that I wasn't anywhere near out of danger yet. They monitored me for the next two days, and although the EKG results improved from what they were initially, to this day my EKG's are still all whacked out. They usually compare them to a much older person with heart problems and I have to see a Cardiologist once every three months. I can't do any stimulants whatsoever and have to be really careful with RC's. It's left me with indefinite heart issues.

I know some people are gonna do whatever they want, but just remember that the line between recreation and death is extremely thin with this chem. It is so much different from social alcohol use that the two arent even comparable when you consider everything. Not worth the risks involved at all if you ask me.

I can recommend kava kava (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_methysticum), a nice mellow feeling that gets you talking, feeling happy and just puts you into a good restful sleep when you go over the limit.

This is the only one I ever order anymore

http://www.paradisekava....O2-Kava-Extract-p27.html

Other than that, maybe mdma might be ok if you could get your hands on it, but kava is more natural for the body.

If your just looking to chill out, be more social, and have a good time, definitely go for the kava. If you get tired, just grab some caffeine.

So the general consensus is that this stuff is pretty bad. MDMA tends to make me feel too cold, and I live in Scotland so its kinda a problem. Kava sounds awesome tho! Definitely gonna look into that one!

And that report from Synergy is terrifying!!!

a 9% acqueous ferric chloride solution will turn red with GHB and will stay yellow with GBL, its a good way to tell them appart.

If you havent done the GBL to GHB conversion yourself and were very careful with base amounts, please measure the pH with some pH strips before consuming, since some badly done conversions can leave excess sodium hydroxide and have a pH of 14 (will seriously burn your throat and anything else it touches. Dissolve it in an acidic solution before ingesting, to be sure.

Do not mix GHB with alcohol, and please be very careful with doses, better aim for very low doses. I would second the recommendation of avoiding it completely. Any substance that the toxic dosage is so close to the active dosage is not something desirable IMO. Several people died, there have been many coma cases, etc. Please be safe people, there are way safer drugs out there. But if you do it anyways, please be very careful.

I don't use GHB myself but I've seen my share of people consuming it at afterparties and I've heard it several times that people 'burnt' their fingers on the GHB after pouring themselves a dose. This is probably the reason why, bad conversions leaving NaOH behind in the end product.

Fortunately I never came across any GHB/GBL like this and I sampled a good bit of both. If it's burning your fingers/mouth though, imagine what it's doing to your stomach. I'm sure excess lye is great for your stomach . I mean we worry about it being in our final product that we are smoking/vaporizing (even if it's burning point is too high to logically achieve). Just swallowing it though? That gives me chills. However, I might be biased because I've been dealt a couple pretty nasty NaOH burns to the skin.