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The Day Tripper
#1 Posted : 7/31/2012 2:33:10 AM

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25g of freshly dehydrated t. bridgesii chips were mortar & pestled into ~1/2" chunks.

Chunks were put into a glass jar w/ 175ml 95% ipa, and 45ml distilled h20 to make ~80% dry ipa. The water is to make the binary solvent more polar to enhance its ability to solubulize the natural phenethylamine salts.

Now it will sit, gently agitating ~6 times a day for 24hrs. At the 24 hour mark, it will go into a hot water bath, let sit for 30min then strain off the ipa. 3 more pulls will be done w/ ~80% ipa each for 24hr, with a heat bath before straining.

The heat bath is to enhance the solubility of the salts in the alcohol/water before pulling, similar to a heat bath in a dmt a/b extraction using naptha or heptane. I don't like the idea of microwaving alcohols, but it does seem like an interesting way to heat/enhance your pulls, for this extraction i will stick to a hot water bath.

After that, all pulls will be vac filtered, then evaporated to a resin. The resin will be scraped up and dissolved in hot distilled water/hcl 5%. This will be filtered and evaporated to yield a (hopefully) much less gooey/fatty/oily resin.

That resin will be scraped up and mixed 1:1 with caoh, and distilled water will be added to make a paste. Paste will be fully dried and pulled with dry acetone 3x. Then ~15 drops of 30% hcl will be added to the acetone/hcl pulls & will be evaporated to yield hopefully a semi-pure full spectrum hcl extract that is a solid without goo, or at least much less gooey than before.

My hypothesis's for this extraction are as follows-

Does using a bit of water, but not enough to cause cell swelling enhance the solvent's ability to pull the alkaloid salts? since water will increase its polarity and mescaline salts really like polar solvents, water being the most polar i predict it will. But really that can't be tested unless i do another extraction on 25g chips with dry ipa. Depending on the yield i may try that.

Another thing i want to test is how much goop can be removed from the first 80% IPA resin by dissolving it in hot acidified distilled water, and filtering out the in-solubles. Any mescaline/cactus phenethylamine salts should be very soluble in the water, while fats/oils/gunk other less/non polar compounds that alcohol pulls from the plant material will not be soluble.

And finally, i want to see if a drytek on the acidified water post extracted resin using acetone (mesc & other phen freebases should be very soluble in dry alcohols), will yield a full spectrum potent hcl extract, possibly powder-able or crystals versus a goo. I might do a dry acetone wash on the final extract to see how much mescaline hcl 25g of this cactus yields. If its ~1%, I'll do a larger extraction on ~50 more grams of bridgesii chips, and then another on 100g of pedro. Anything washed out by the acetone will be reconstituted to ensure its still full spectrum, just want to see how much fairly pure mescaline hcl i got and if this particular solvent mix works as good as or better than a traditional tea based aqueous a/b using lye and limo.

Which would be nice since cactus tea a/b's are a royal pita imho, and a big lazy alcohol extraction that takes longer, but yield's the same or more would be much easier imho. No slaving over the stove brewing for hours and hours, no nightmarish filtering cactus goop slime, or waiting days for it to decant in the fridge Thumbs down .

Will update with pics/ details as the extraction progresses.

Can't wait to see how this turns out Big grin





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mew
#2 Posted : 7/31/2012 3:32:05 AM

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honestly from dry cactus i can have an entire extraction with cleaning done in 6 hours.

the method youre trying works, ive done etoh and ipa, both are satisfactory. i however always remove skin, as it is entirely inactive.

i would skip on the acetone washes and hcl use and just eat the resin, its not going to be go, its going to be like silly putty, solid enough to mold into shapes. the use of acetone will make your resin rock hard and youll have a very hard time dissolving it after the hcl dissolving. im not sure if using hcl changes the experience either, i know that hcl can destroy dmt, i assume the same is true for many of cactus alkaloids. this may restrict your alkaloid profile, not letting it be "full spectrum"

best of luck, curious to see your results
 
The Day Tripper
#3 Posted : 7/31/2012 4:35:31 AM

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I'm considering skipping the caoh drytek/acetone step. Still, i think it couldn't hurt to add a small amount of hcl when redissolving the ipa resin in water. That way, hopefully the natural salts will convert over to the hcl which as we all know is barely soluble in acetone. I don't think adding hcl would degrade the alkaloids, but who knows.

As long as the water evap is not a goo i prob would just wash with tone there to remove most of the other hcl alkaloids and impurities besides the mescaline hcl. Just to see how it compares with a tea a/b with limo as far as yields in washed mescaline hcl. Definitely going to add what was solubulized with tone back into the washed mesc hcl though to keep it FS.

Just FS hcl's, and not FS natural salts. Really i just want to do this so i know for sure not alot of mescaline will get washed away since IDK the solubulity of natural salts of mescaline in acetone. That could throw off my yield estimates compared to a tone washed product salting out of limo with hcl water.
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In a society in which nearly everybody is dominated by somebody else's mind or by a disembodied mind, it becomes increasingly difficult to learn the truth about the activities of governments and corporations, about the quality or value of products, or about the health of one's own place and economy.
In such a society, also, our private economies will depend less upon the private ownership of real, usable property, and more upon property that is institutional and abstract, beyond individual control, such as money, insurance policies, certificates of deposit, stocks, etc. And as our private economies become more abstract, the mutual, free helps and pleasures of family and community life will be supplanted by a kind of displaced citizenship and by commerce with impersonal and self-interested suppliers...
The great enemy of freedom is the alignment of political power with wealth. This alignment destroys the commonwealth - that is, the natural wealth of localities and the local economies of household, neighborhood, and community - and so destroys democracy, of which the commonwealth is the foundation and practical means.” - Wendell Berry
 
mew
#4 Posted : 8/7/2012 12:31:15 AM

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how have things turned out?
 
 
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