I was curious if anyone has ever tried any crazy doses of dmt and was able to remember even a small portion. Like 75-100mg smoked or 300 mg+ orally. Haven't heard much about effects at super high doses.

misterfractal55834,

Before posting further, please take a moment once again to read the Attitude. Specifically, the section on safe and constructive drug talk:



-a1pha

Here's a trip where I used two bowls, back to back, with 45-50 mgs of DMT in each one. Trip Report well I wouldn't recommend these dosages unless you are completely comfortable with DMT and have had extensive experience with the spirit molecule. With that being said.. my 100 mg combined trip was VERY glitchy but that trip report was me trying my best to use words to convey those extreme moments. I have said in other posts I am not bragging or I am not proud of some of my binges on DMT but I have learnt a tremendous amount from my varying degrees of usage. These kinda trips should only be experienced 3-4 times a year. These kinda trips need lots of time for integration and can have LOOONNNNGGGG lasting effects. With that last trip, I had lasting effects for close to TWO MONTHS after so... yes please use caution when jumping up in levels of usage.

I in no way promote using or telling anyone to try anything except to use safe practices. I was simply curious of what DMT does at high doses. Please do not take this post literally only simply to answer a curious mind. Please be safe everyone. You can delete this thread if you feel it's inappropriate.

I don't think a1pha was being short with you or anything. He was just doing his job as a mod and as a member of a sacred community. I think your post is a good one and appropriate... this isn't some contest to see how "F'd up" you can get on DMT. You was just curious on how large doses affect different people.

Exactly. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstood.

high doses = black out, simple. It useless to do it, I definitely do not recommend, and as a1pha well said, we must be careful when writting things, what kind of impression we are leaving, what kind of message we are sending.

You dont even need 75mg, 40mg properly vaporized can already make you black out and come back confused and not remembering anything. Often, less is more and we here in the Nexus do not feel very high doses is something to brag about or to recommend.

i had one particularly reckless dose of jurema and Rue a few years back. I had nothing but glowing experiences to that date, and kept pushing further and further. It just get better the more i did, so i went big. biggest dose before was 12G or so. for no particular reason, i jumped big. Rue dose was the usual 4G or so, but the mimosa was in the range of 20G, which would be around 300-400mg of DMT. i could write a novel about this experience, but ill keep it brief.

i was in my tub with pillows and blankets, towel under the door to block out light. completely pitch black. within 20 min i had unique visions of spinning green fern like shapes expanding and contracting, never seen anything like them before or after. within minutes of the visions, i became sure i was dying. I dont know why, but i just knew i had gone too far and it was all over for me. I turned on the light to force a purge, and my stone tile floor looked to be deep pools of shifting lava. everything was breathing, with color and light bursting from all surfaces. I recall looking into the mirror, and seeing every atom of my body disintegrating away in the wind as strands of DNA. I purged, showered, and crawled into bed. I put on Glowworm's album "coachlight woods" on my ipod and hid under the covers for the next 6 hours. I had a divine encounter, fell in love, had my heart broken, died a thousand deaths, cried, laughed, had full body orgasms, relived every moment of my life, complete ego death, lost my identity, and learned every secret of the universe.

It seems stupid high doses cause a singularity of sorts. you experience everything, good and bad. I cannot imagine any person being able to go super deep without massive panic attacks accompanying the most orgasmic feeling in the world. I felt as though i made love to a divine entity one moment and i was being raped by a pack of hyenas moments later.

Fairly entertaining report of a massive dose:

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=86874

I have smoked .50mg crystal twice both times extreme breakthroughs, wormholes and entities.

I really want to try will try_* A Pharma sesh of Rue seed juice & .50mg crystal dmt smoked.
* A Pcylocib mushrooms trip with .50mg crystal dmt smoked.
* And my aspiring dose of one day smoking the infamous 100mg crystal DMT, may very well be the last time i feel the need to smoke DMT in this life time.

I mostly only smoke herbal spice.





PS. evil804, i have never heard of this glowworm before now, theyr good

good question.


I find the biggest problem with large oral doses is the body load, being physically uncomfortable distracts from the visionary aspects. Smoking too much leaves me with amnesia.

Thanks, John Smith.

That erowid trip report is fascinating! I actually think that is going to go in my signature.

Rumor has it that Terence McKenna regularly smoked 75mg. But this was before the GVG and other modern methods. As Endlessness pointed out, 40 can be almost at that threshold of too much if vaped properly. Many of the other Nexus senior members talk of 40mg as more than enough for a full breakthrough.

After that, you'll go as deep as you are mentally prepared for, and no more.

I've never taken DMT doses that high. But when I was playing around with the heroic doses of LSD and shrooms: blackout indeed. My highest LSD dosage was 1600ug, and although the come-on was pretty fantastic, my only recollections after that involved a lot of really uncomfortable squirming around under the covers. I had been getting far more profound experiences in the 800-1200 range.

And my massive 7g shrooms/100mg rue psilohuasca experience: again, epic fantastic and extra long come-on... Followed by a total blackout, then waking up with broken bones.

So there really is such a thing as an optimum highest dosage when dealing with psychedelics.

what you put in your pipe and what reaches your serotonin receptors is not the same thing.

Dennis McKenna reveals in his new book that Terrence had a bum trip on shrooms in 88/89, it disturbed Terrence so much that after that he rarely took any psychedelic and when he did it was only in small doses. Despite this he continued to recommend the heroic dose in his lectures up to the time of his death.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO3LlYzQU4g

There was one evening with 100mg spice in 250mg Changa. Successive sub-breakthrough doses were administered (~1-15m apart) while maintaining open eyes. After the final dose of Changa was administered eyes were closed.

With eyes closed the room before me was transformed into one of raw marble-ish white light. Opening my eyes would show the room as normal, closing eyes the room transformed and my physical movements led me around while viewing the room with eyes closed.

Making my way to the doorway leaving the room, it was closed, but my visions showed no door, only space folding open to reveal multiple possibilities outside of the door. Eyes are opened to verify this (vision environment 'matching' physical environment) was really happening and to see where the doorknob was.

The door was opened, but with eyes closed the visions had faded.


Never before or again has this been experienced. I have no experience with ayahuasca/pharmahuasca, but I'm aware it uses a DMT & MAOI combination similar to that of my Changa. Is it possible my experience is more similar to an aya/pharma experience than a high-dose DMT experience?

To note, the hyperspace version of the room I dosed in had the same objects inside but were all made of that marble-ish light. The hyperspace version of the room was also enlarged or expanded outwards, but my physical movements still translated correctly in the hyperspace visions.

Interesting topic. The higher dose you have the harder it can be to recall the experience because you are flooded with so much information in such a short period of time.

To be honest, from what I've experienced up until now. At a very high dose, combined with a mentally directed detachment from your thinking will bring you into contact with metaphysical beings of some sort.

I took dmt for the first time at least 6 years ago now. And I havent always thought this. But after my last trip, which i posted on here, i realised that we are a metaphysically directed project. And if you have high enough of a dose - and let go of your mind enough - you will see the mechanics of that project - and more . . .

No one actually commented on my experience when i posted it. It was posted in the open discussion under a thread titled something like "Aliens deconstructing reality through pharma" - its about 4 or so pages back now.

I am very open to critique and questions.....

were you able to conclude the purpose of this metaphysically directed project?


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if this is legitimate, it is absolutely fucking insane

To a degree. I speak about it at the bottom of my post in the "Aliens deconstructing reality through pharma" thread

I'm also curious if high oral doses could be compared to a smoked breakthrough but for like a straight two hour period. I would never try this but want to know if anyone has experienced anything like this.