Hi Im new on the forum and have practiced lucid `dreaming for the past 6 years but always wanted to experiance spice..
Im an older hippie from the 1969 and 1970 era..
I remember doing lots of LSD ..like window pane....orange sunshine...LSD 25 blotter..yellow and grey microdot...and green pentagon...orange philiciben tabs..
[i even took belladonna once from ashmador powder][but not again]!
I atended the ..[goose lake music festivle] in goose lake michigan they had over 400 thousand people there that summer in 1969 .!
I have my own. [off white].spice from mimosa hostilis pink..freeze method..
Ive tryed several times at a grain of rice size but it never did much..
I only experianced ..feeling relaxed.. some sex stimulation.. some minor moving of the walls and once i experianced a sudden shakeyness starting at my feet going up my legs but it subsided quickley.
Should i use a larger dose that a grain of rice?..
Was that shakeyness a sighn that it started to work?
do i need a larger dose?

First thing, you never mentioned what device you are using. More often than not people are using an inferior device or are actually burning the spice rather than vaping it.

Even if that weren't true, I strongly recommend that you purchase a milligram scale. Amazon has a great one many nexus members own for $25.

You CANNOT eyeball DMT correctly. If you are smoking it correctly than yes I would say go up in dose. I recommend you read the dosage thread I've linked in my signature.

And welcome to the nexus!

What I used was a lightbulb to vape it...

That method can be used successfully. I myself use a bulb also but a different kind. Used in a bong. I also use a small torch rather than a lighter. Have to be careful with a torch as you can destroy much of the spice easily and quickly.

You could technically up the dose slowly until you achieve better results. I still recommend you upgrade your device. Do not double the dose size continually. As doubling from 5 - 10mg isn't much but 10 - 20mg is a huge leap. And 20 - 40mg is not one I recommend.

I can't say for sure because densities vary greatly but I would assume that a pile exactly the size of a small white piece of rice would be anywhere between 1-8mg

I can't say for sure because densities vary greatly but I would assume that a pile exactly the size of a small white piece of rice would be anywhere between 1-8mg...

Wow 1-8mgs..! that is way to little to work...
Also i said that once I felt a shakeyness starting from my feet going up my legs..is this an early sign of the Spice was trying to work?..

when i started out with no scales I used a dime. cover the dime with spice its roughly40 - 50 mg. Also try the sandwhich method for smoking.

A dime is 40-50mg?
Then try 1/2 that, or 3/4 of it. Doing 40-50mg is overkill!
20-25mg are breakthrough doses if done correctly.
Start low, you have a whole lifetime to try it.
What you don't want is to take 50mg correctly and get hyper slapped!
Not a pretty sight to be stuck in a death loop... Higher doses tend to do that.
20-25 is the sweet spot and doesn't waste spice. If you feel nothing after that,
Then you are vaping wrong.

The problem with eyeballing is that some spice is denser crystals than others.
One clump of fluffy spice might weigh 20mg and dense clump the same size weighs 40mg.
I have some pretty fluffy white spice that could maybe cover two dimes and still only be 20mg!

Go on e-bay or amazon and order a scale and it will arrive in 3-5 days.
Then you know FORSURE what you are taking in!

If I were to cover a dime with the spice I have it would be about 25-35 mg. thickness is kind of hard to gauge. And like koolaid said different spice weighs differently.

Also we ask new members that have very little experience with the spice to please take it slow and do it correctly.

Like stated so often, eyeballing a good dose of DMT is IMPOSSIBLE.

Even with the same batch and crystals looking almost the same, you can be off a factor of 3 easily. Get a good scale, it will safe you a lot of trouble. It's cheap and easy to order.

Also, look into a good smoking device like the glass vaporgenie and learn how to use it well, that will safe a lot of the precious spice. Another thing you can do is to check upon oral dosing Pharma style (yes, you really need a good scale for that ).


Kind regards,

The Traveler

Maybe I am crazy, but if you throw enough into a device that works halfway decent, then just hit it until you can't, that pretty much makes it easy to get to a breakthrough. If you get too much, it only lasts a few minutes, so even if it's too much, it's over extremely fast..

I understand people's fear for going too far, too fast, but it's hard to do that unless you are using a bong and getting huge hits.. Plus whatever you don't finish just recrystallizes in the smoking device which can be finished later... Always worked well for me.. I never saw much reason in measuring a dose of vaporized DMT.

Try sandwiching some DMT between some herb and smoking it out of a bowl. That makes it easier to smoke without burning it too much.. Also, Trav is right about measuring. I have a huge solid chunk of synthetic DMT that was broken off of a lb, which is WAY more compact than fluffy crystals..

There have been a TON of bad experiences from people lately not know what they are doing and just throwing 50+ mgs in and vaping. We are trying to educate people on how to properly dose so that they understand how this all works. Sure you could have a forced breakthrough. Sure its not THAT bad. But for some people it is that bad.

A device that works halfway decent? Its recommend to use a device that is efficient so you dont waste.

I'm afraid I'm another "eyeballer" I have a Jennings HP-100x, while I use it to measure the amount I've extracted from a batch of MHRB, I've found it infuriating to try and use it for 25-35mg doses. And I can't totaly agree with the weight argument as some of my spice is very clean, white and fluffy, very light, but powerful as hell, other batches have been slightly oily looking, and much heavier, certainly not stronger than the dry "fluffy" crystals.

Also in my GVG there's always some residue from previous launches, so go figure that out with the scales. I'm not saying it's good what I do, but intuition served me well till now.

I understand about new members taking it slow. But there is a differnce between new members and new psychonauts. This guy according to him is a very experienced traveler.So I dont think I gave him unsound advice. This is something I have had experience with (the dime method). Again this goes to preference. Do i stick my toes in to test the waters or do i just dive in head first?

as a side note: i read somewhere that each rice cell contains somewhere in the region of 40,000 to 60,000 genes, while each human cell has only about 30,000 to 40,000 genes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1910949.stm