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WEM
#1 Posted : 4/28/2012 1:14:48 AM
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From reading more and more on the Nexus, it appears to me as though there are people here who have made a large amount of small batches over their travels, so this has made me curious enough to ask:

How many extractions have you preformed and with what kind of yields(averagely)? Over what period of time has this taken place?

I'm more or less curious to see what kind of usage rates people have with the spice, as when I can afford to and have the proper setting, I would like to extract enough for at least a few months (does a single extraction create that much?).
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#2 Posted : 4/28/2012 2:07:25 AM

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The data you're asking for is a little ridiculous, but the facts are that:

You can get 0.5%-2% dmt from extracting the dry weight of mimosa hostilis.
If you were to do a single extraction of 500grams, you could get 5-10 grams of dmt.
A dose of dmt is likely threshold~10mg and breakthrough ~40mg.
So you see, from a 500g mimosa extraction, you could get 100-200 doses.
A dose a day, that'll last you about 6 months.
Realistically, you'll mess up smoking some and will try different amounts and methods, but a good extraction might last you 3 months with regular use.
 
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#3 Posted : 4/28/2012 2:55:34 AM

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I've done about 6 successful extractions (and an initial one that basically failed) in the 6 months since I started, I think I've given away more of it than I've smoked, in fact I definitely have. After a bit of tweaking I have been getting consistently above 2% yields (last couple were closer to 3%) but that's full spectrum spice (Jimjam), so I can't say what the yields would be had I re-X'd it, I've never felt it necessary to re-x. I've always found that DMT is abundant after an extraction, I have still have spice from 3 separate extractions plus some changa. I don't take it very often now at all, probably just the bits and pieces I have lying around would last me a few months. It really depends how often you end up taking it, if you're just taking t yourself I'd say a 100g extraction would last a month or two, unless you are really getting tore into it. If you're anything like me though you'll want to share the crazyness of it with some friends. Also after doing a couple of extractions you'll probably find it's not really a big deal and won't mind doing it a few times, for me it's just a case of dumping some stuff in a container, leaving it for a couple of weeks, shaking it every now and then, and then pulling out the solvent and evapping. This one pull gets over 2%, then I do another little pull and leave it for another couple of weeks to get the last little bit.
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#4 Posted : 4/28/2012 3:17:57 AM
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Something was telling me that what I was asking for was gonna be a bit out there to ask, but I figured it wouldn't hurt.

Icon: Thanks for that info, I was more or less debating over getting 500g or 250g, but I guess I could get 500g and then do two half size batches so if I kill the first somehow then I've got backup.

tony: At this point I don't have plans to share it with my friends, I've told a few of my close friends my plan to try DMT, while respecting what I want to do, they didn't appear to interested in trying it themselves. What exactly is Jimjam? How is it 'full spectrum'? I take it it's more than just pure freebase DMT, but I'm lost after that.
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#5 Posted : 4/28/2012 3:30:14 AM

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WEM wrote:
I was more or less debating over getting 500g or 250g, but I guess I could get 500g and then do two half size batches so if I kill the first somehow then I've got backup.


250g is quite a bit to do at one time typically a 4l container will handle 200g of MHRB filling it with 3l water. Unless you have something bigger than that.
 
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#6 Posted : 4/28/2012 3:53:07 AM

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redeyes drag on wrote:
WEM wrote:
I was more or less debating over getting 500g or 250g, but I guess I could get 500g and then do two half size batches so if I kill the first somehow then I've got backup.


250g is quite a bit to do at one time typically a 4l container will handle 200g of MHRB filling it with 3l water. Unless you have something bigger than that.


That'll depend a lot on the tek they use. My friend does 500g batches using the q21q21 tek. They use a 5gal bucket but it could fit in even a 1gal ice-cream pail.

Also I'd suggest doing your first batch @ 100grams. There's a fair bit to learn in the process and you'll develop probably twice the results of your first trial with a little practice.
 
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#7 Posted : 4/28/2012 4:12:47 AM

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WEM wrote:

tony: At this point I don't have plans to share it with my friends, I've told a few of my close friends my plan to try DMT, while respecting what I want to do, they didn't appear to interested in trying it themselves. What exactly is Jimjam? How is it 'full spectrum'? I take it it's more than just pure freebase DMT, but I'm lost after that.


Jimjam is what you end up with when you pull with a less selective solvent like xylene or d-limonene, tends to be waxy instead of powdery/crystals. Some people say they find it stronger, others say weaker... I can't really tell the difference between the lighter stuff I've pulled with naphtha and the darker stuff pulled with xylene, which is why I've never bothered recrystallizing it. If anything I find the Jimjam easier to effectively vape than the fluffier white stuff. "Full spectrum" refers to it pulling all of the alkaloids in the plant, not just DMT... that's pretty much all I know as well, I've never really been sure what exactly is pulled or why it sometimes pulls yellow, sometime orange and my last pull was dark brown and had the same consistency as milk chocolate, lol.
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Think about doing a 100 gram extraction in a glass container instead of plastic. Put the rest of your Mimosa in a jar or something airtight for storage, preserving the shelf life. Your yield can end up a bit better by doing smaller extractions, you can save your self the trouble of a possible mistake, even if only on half a batch (a mistake on a fifth of your batch sounds much easier to swallow.) Also say that you obtain a gram your first go around, you can enjoy and even have some to share should close friends become curious. Then improve your technique on the next extraction maybe wind up with an even better yield. Just food for thought friend.
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#9 Posted : 4/28/2012 7:37:26 AM
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Considering more than one person is suggesting I do my first batch as small as 100g, sounds good to me, I mean, I wouldn't really be using any more material for a larger number of smaller batches would I? It would be the same ratios of the required stuff, the only thing I could see using more of would be the filters, but those are cheap.

redeyes drag on: yea at this point I don't really have any containers bigger than 4L that I could use, I'm sure if I looked I could find something bigger, but from what other people are saying it wouldn't be needed.

tony: sounds intriguing enough, but I think I'll stick with pure freebase, at least at first.
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#10 Posted : 4/28/2012 12:32:13 PM
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I never extract more than 50g in one container. Smaller batches are easier to control.
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#11 Posted : 4/28/2012 12:38:43 PM

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nameless wrote:
I never extract more than 50g in one container. Smaller batches are easier to control.


I'd agree with that. I've done a couple of 100's and the largest was about 185g, but I find the 50g extractions much easier to deal with since they fit perfectly into a 1L milk jug. Really for a first time I think 50g is the way to go, my first one I done 100g and ended up making a mess of it and ditching it after only getting a tiny amount of spice. I wished I had done 50g, the next one was 50g and the results were about a gram which lasted me a good while even after giving some of it away.
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#12 Posted : 4/28/2012 2:28:22 PM
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Well I do already have a 1L glass milk bottle just sitting around doing nothing, guess it's got a future use
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