Hello Nexians,

This is my first post here, and I hope it is appropriately placed.

Let me first start off by saying I've never been more impressed with a forum, group, or community in all my searches. From the first time I perused the threads, I've told myself, "these are the type of people I'm looking for". It's refreshing to see that such an important and infinite topic is receiving the respect and maturity it is due.

I have many questions which I'm sure will be answered in due time through use of the search function, and the depth of knowledge within the community. Of course SWIM's willingness (and courage :shock to experience directly will also hopefully be the source of many answers as well as questions. But since SWIM is reletively new to the spice, he won't be called upon as much in the early stages.

There is one question that I haven't seen answered here however. You see, when SWIM Smoalks the spice, he stays high for HOURS instead of 10-30 minutes. It was his understanding that one is commonly back to "baseline" after a fraction of an hour. Such is not the case for SWIM. It takes SWIM about 4 hours before he could function properly in reality (make a meal, drive, hold a normal conversation, etc.). The effects are definately strongest for the first half hour or so, but SWIM wouldn't say they spike and then drop sharply at all. It's more like a powerful but controlled ride to the peak, followed by a slow, even decline to baseline for SWIM. SWIM also has effects that linger for days after the trip, like spontaneous muscle clenching and twitching.

Keep in mind that SWIM hasn't "broken through" and has been working with small doses to acquaint himself with his teacher. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 25-40mg. The strength of the effects at this dosage has SWIM a little hesistant at trying to break through. He wonders if said effects may be even more powerful and drawn out, in which case SWIM would need a whole weekend just to feel somewhat normal again.

I could go on forever about SWIM's situation, but this is turning into a WOT, and I'm sure everyone understands the question. Does this happen to anyone else? Any ideas why it happens to SWIM?

It sounds like (and correct me if I'm wrong) that your afterglow phase is long. Some people's are longer than others, but it's natural. It's hard to make any real assessment without seeing what you're seeing because I don't quite understand in the intensity and quality of the particular effects you're experiencing. Breakthroughs can often potentially be a bit longer than sub-breakthrough experiences, and their afterglows tend to be longer too.

There was some study I remember reading with DMT and mice and radiotracers (I think), and they discovered that some of the DMT molecules get trapped in vesicles in the serotonin transport system for up to a week, so even though a lot of it is quickly metabolized by the MAO, a percentage of it remains in the body for a while. Welcome to the Nexus!

That is quite a long time for an experience to last. It almost sounds like maybe you have some sort of MAOI going on. I wonder if there is something you are consuming that is causing MAOI and and your not aware of it? herbal vitamins or supplements some unusual food or drink? Medication?

Even if I take a good dose of harmalas and efficiently vape 30mgs of spice the experience only lasts about 20 minutes with a hour or two after glow.

Different people have different sensitivities I guess?



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..if it's Mimosa hostilis, that's odd..if it's an acacia that can occasionally happen due to other alkaloids..
perhaps you are naturally partially MAO inhibiting (a fairly uncommon genetic condition) or you are taking a herb/medication which is MAO inhibiting..?

This will happen to me a lot. Especially the being spacey and the after glow lasting very long. I will feel very out of it for days after a DMT experience and be hesitant to do any sort of drug. I think this is just due to the personal reaction, it is a very intense experience. And I feel like the spaciness is due to my reflecting on the experience. Of course there are probably different factors. But that is my understanding of it.

I would not worry to much about it, it does not seem to hurt me in any way. And usually during the time I feel very at peace and it does not seem to effect my everyday life. A breakthrough might not make it last longer but maybe it will make the after glow much more "glowy", if that makes sense. It will be way more mind blowing when you return.

Best of luck!

are you drinking a ton of pomegranite juice, grapefruit juice or black currant juice?..or eating meals LOADED with all sorts of spices and black pepper before you smoke? Unless taking some other kind of maoi's those are the only things I have found to potentiate tryptamines to some degree when ingested in large ammounts..durian fruit also contains harmaline but I dont even really know anyone else who likes to eat the stuff and still I can eat a whole durian and it really wont effect me smoking DMT..

Chammomile and passionflower and some other herbal teas can also potentiate DMT..but still not to that degree(at least not that I have yet to see)..

This does sound very abnormal for mimosa..feeling a glow after 45-60 minutes is very normal but unable to drive even 2 or 3 hours later?? Never seen that before. Are you smoking cannabis with it?..or before hand? Are you combining it with caffine?

25-40mg properly vaped would also be enough for most people to break through..especially if you are already had naturally lower MAO levels..it would seem logical that if that were the case than at even 25mg you would be gone..

Thank you all very much for the replies and insight.

Considering what was said, I would lean toward there being some sort of natural MAOI going on here. SWIM doesn't take any medication of any kind. Nor does he take any herbs or vitamins. The only notable exception is that SWIM does consume a decent amount of Green Tea with Ginseng, which I'm sure has little to do with anything. Oh, and SWIM used an STB extraction on Mimosa as it seems most do around here.

Perhaps it should be noted that Cannabis also has effects on SWIM FAR beyond what most people describe. SWIM "trips" on Cannibis about 25% of the time. However the effects SWIM is talking about on DMT are many times more powerful than a weed high for 3 hours or more.

The genetic explanation makes some sense as well, because the only other person I know that has had this sort reaction to Cannibis is SWIM's brother, who had a full Szichophrenic episode on ONE HIT of it; causing him to lose touch with reality, and run from SWIM, thinking SWIM was intending to kill him. I won't get into details here, but suffice it to say that SWIM and SWIM's sister in law were VERY worried that SWIM would never be normal again.

I guess the only reason SWIM would worry about it (since it hasn't been "negative" in any way for him) is because he's seen his own brother go CRAZY, and would like to avoid that if possible. So far SWIM's exposure to psychodelics (Salvia, Cannibis, and DMT) has been kind to him, and he has learned a great deal. I suppose for now, SWIM should just continue to slowly ease into the waters, and be careful about maintaining a good set/setting, as well as giving himself plenty of time to come down and integrate.

Mmmm Durian Anyway, where did swim get the spice or how does he know it is such for absolute sure? Ii guess there is something to be said for staying there with the vision if thats what you can do, and it is not just an afterglow. Look at the kublakahn, an incomplete vision and you can see what I mean. You might have a skeleton key to the great work in your midst.

idk but i do have a friend that is a "one hit wonder" every time i smoke with him I pack spice/herb in a bong bowl for him, 1 hit maybe 2 tops throws him into a full on R.E.M. sleep state for 45min with another 30min after glow after that. I have smoalked with many of people in the same fashion but this one guy is a true "one hit wonder". It is being smoked with cannabis be he is a daily toker and thats how i almost always pack my spice bowls. I guess I just wish it effected me like that but insted i smoke a few bowls before hes even back from his first

SWIM extracted it himself, and is absolutely sure it's the genuine article as friends have had experiences that fall very much in line with other's accounts. Also SWIM can't imagine anything being that powerful otherwise.

As far as staying with a vision, it only stays intense beyond description or control for about 30 minutes, at which point it slowly begins to weaken over the course of the next few hours. Even at "baseline" SWIM definately has afterglow paralleling what is stated by Walter below.






Are you suggesting to read the poem, or is this some sort of documentary or analysis done on the poem? Sounds interesting, even as just a diversion.

I can trip really hard from even 1 big hit of cannabis and it can make me very anxious as well, but I still dont have 4 hour smoked DMT trips..the effects you describe from cannabis are quite common actaully, when people dont smoke it chronically.

Ginseng does have some weird effects when combined with harmalas apparently..but it being an maoi all on it's own? I dunno I have heard that rumor but I dunno if it is true.

Ginsings bomb, I havent tried it in conjunction with anything that I know of - there are also other herbs like Ginsing with similar and even better qualities, in the way that the adaptogens effect you ginsing takes a lonk time whereas some herbs have a quicker effect.. unfortunately I forgot the name of the one I tried in Thailand which I believe was a chinese herb starting with a J.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubla_Khan