swim recently took 20 grams of powdered caapi vine and used the thp method to get the maois out. swim drank the tea and about thirty minutes later swim ingested about 3 grams of mushrooms. 3 grams is usually a pretty normal dose to swim but this was his first time experimenting with adding the maoi. i really did not know what was in store for me and even worse i was reading a thread talking a bout psilohuasca and terrence mckenna saying how too much mushrooms mixed with it can develop serotonin syndrome.

i know swim should have researched a little more which i normally do before any trip but everywhere swim looked the info was very vague and varied.

anyways...the trip in its entirety had a negative undertone, most likely because of the terrence mckenna statement looming in the back of my head. luckily swim's many experiences with shrooms allowed him to keep the trip pretty grounded and not lose it too bad at any point. the whole time i felt an interference and almost a battling of spirits and energies moving back and forth within me.

towards the end the trip became much more light hearted and everything began to have a sense of hilarity to it. i fell asleep about 7 hours after ingestion and awoke the next day feeling really cleansed. my spirit let go of some burdens that night but not without the cost of a very terrifying couple of hours.

just wanted to add this post for those thinking about tryin the combo...go light on the shrooms 2 gramns should be more than enough or you will lear like i did that the vine of the souls (caapi) demands respect and humility. it is an extremely powerful plant and this should be known before consumption.

I love the combination, but i agree that the risk of having unpleasant effects is greater when caapi or rue is added. Most of the time when people are having unpleasant effects, it is with p.cubensis.

I never had anything like serotonin syndrome with the combination. Even when i took a pretty large amount of shrooms with ayahuasca. I´m not sure that it never happens, but i think the risk is relatively low.

It is true though, that shrooms can become more powerfull when taken with MAOI´s and that this could take a person by surprise. It is also true that the experience becomes more 'energetic' and therefore more freaky, weirder, stranger...i think that this is because shrooms by themselves have relatively little dopaminergic effects, while caapi has strong dopaminergic effects.

First, I'd like to point out as you noticed 3 grams cubensis with caapi tea or other MAOI like rue tea, harmalas etc.. is too high for most poeple.
I'd start as low as 1 gram as it double the effect of mushroom but also caapi have it's own psychoactivity.

So it's not like making the mushrooms stronger, it is a different experience.
I like it a lot in my limited experience, trytamines are great combiend together with caapi or harmalas in general.
I did like chaliponga (5grams dose) with 1 gram cubes, and 50 grams cielo ayahuasca.
Very etheric trip in clouds energy.

also abotu serotonin syndrome I 'm no doctor but I never heard of such a thing, I heard that for mostly amphetamine (like MDMA) or phenethylamine (cacti, mescaline) or iboga and the like, even though some here, me including did few times in responsible dose (like 2 grams max of good rootbark iboga) or low dose peruvian torch, without any discomfort.

But with caapi and RIMA in general always dose low to start with, the caapi AND the admix. Synergy is sometimes just too much. ALso, don't trip if you think negative, or are scare to poison your self to start with. Or avoid.
sometime you already trip and think about poisonning and it isn't nice, but you don't want to brownse death reports or the like and then dose !

Good luck, integrate and research is key as you knwo now.

Im wondering about your using of THP. Do you have previous experience with caapi brews and did you get full MAOI with using only 20 grams? Does THP pull more actives than boiling?

sounds like you had too many shrooms.

i had 20mg caapi copy, equivelant to 20g caapi , and 1.8 g of fungi and had a life changing experience.

if it was too intense, use less. but still keep it intense, just enough so that you can truly bring something back from it

I had a crazy intense experience when I mixed 3g of rue with a single gram of mushrooms. It tripled the effect, at least. Tried again with 1.5g of rue and 2g of mushrooms and had a good, but less intense experience. Very good synergies exist if you find an appropriate dose.

I'm a little surprised 20g of caapi got you there. I thought you needed nearly 100g for ayahuasca? That's why I tried 3g of rue the first time, to match my ayahuasca dosage.

..mushrooms and harmalas years back became too intense and weird an experience for me, seemingly driven by the 'shroom-agenda'..complete, sometimes, with Gracie & Zarkov's 'voice in the head phenomena' (from same combination) ..if that's the 'logos', please sing me icaros..
i firmly decided that tryptamine plants were my allies and abandoned those tricky fungi...

20g equivalent seemed fine. If anything it was too intense but i think the shrooms must have potentiated the caapi just as much as the caapi potentiates the shroom. The caapi actually took the limelight for most of the night , sucking maybe 50% of the colour and visual quality from the shrooms and using it for it's own visionary purposes and altering my eyesigt so i could see the spirits in the room. Amazing...Towards the end, once the harmalas had worn out, the shroom vision returned. . I look forward to returning and attempting to communicate and participate with them much more actively next time although that all depends on how long the ego resists it's layer removal again.


if you enjoyed and found a nice combo with the rue, try the caapi but dose appropriately

It is a combination not to be feared, but respected. IMO it gets intense yeah, but it is perfectly physically safe. Does that broad statement about "t. mckenna said it causes some kind of serotonin syndrom" have any basis in fact at all?

If i remember correctly TMC never used mushrooms and harmalas together, exept for at la chorrera and the material contained in true hallucinations (which was extremely low amount of cappi, probably not enough to be psychoactive). in many speaches ive heard He thought the harmalas would so potentiate the mushrooms that it would be over the top.. He is often quoted saying this, that this isnt a combo he uses...

In any thread about this, im pretty sure the end conclusion is always to dose responsibly. The combo is physicaly safe IMO, if you dose any entheogen irresponsibly things can get hairy..

Could you point to a link where TMC says it has anything to do with any kind of serotonin syndrom?

Okay, you guys say its an 'energetic' experience, mixing the shrooms and caapi/rue.....spirits in the room....please expand on this subject, minus the intellectual dosage hoohah....

Just like others have said, dosage is important. Potency can vary a lot between batches of caapi and fungi, so it's good to test each out before immersing yourself into an intense, possibly overwhelming experience. I personally love the combination, so I take some caapi extract every time I eat mushrooms. The trips last longer, and for me there has always been a positive synergy between the two.

Thanks for the heads up brother!

what is there to be expanded upon? of course to be understood the effects must be felt firsthand, words fall pathetically short. The most important message to get is to dose responsibly build up and then see the effects for yourself because thats the only way to experience them...

The only thing i can say for sure becomeone, is that the harmalas potentiate the effects of the shrooms, therefore you need to plan on that happening and adjust accordingly.

3 grams of rue can turn 1 gram of cubes into a full blown trip. I have used up to 3.5 grams mushrooms with 4 grams rue, with extremely positive and entheogenic effects with significantly less body load than ayahuasca

I've never took this caapi/shrooms combo, so I can't speak directly to the experience, but my DMT experiences are "energetic" experiences a lot of the time in the sense that there are holographic energies bounding around the room that are interactable. When I reach out to touch them it feels like biomagnetism - like the energies are magnetically moving my limbs where I relinquish voluntary control of their actions. Depending on intensity or literally the amount of available energy, the energy can feedback on itself and rearrange itself to form multidimensional objects and entities. I imagine this might be related to the energetic phenomena that these posters experience with their shrooms/caapi combo.

the 20 grams of caapi in the herbal percolator is more than enough for any full maoi experience the link where i learned how to do it says he only uses about ten for his ayahuasca experiences. it is much more efficient than boiling.

and yes i should have dosed more responsibly but kind of threw caution in the wind and went for it. the article is merely to tell people what they can expect and to be ready for the intense energetic interactions that result from the combinations.

Who is this directed at? I've re-read this thread five times and I'm not following.

your right nvm. noone was lecturing. and for the tmc comment on the serotonin syndrome i do not remember where i saw it but i think if i remember correctly he said that the reason he did not want to try the combo was for fear of s.s.

..BecometheOther wrote: ..Gracie and Zarkov in the 80s worked extensively with this combo, and reported the 'voice in the head' and other phenomena becoming increasingly intense and disturbing after repeated administrations..they eventually abandoned the combination because they felt uncomfortable with it..i know of a few cases of people being in disturbed states for a few days or more after this combination, so i think there is some evidence that, in some individuals at least, the harmala/mushroom combination can lead to some kind of hallucinogenic syndrome (people being told what to do by a 'central command' which isn't them, even days later), in a way i have not seen harmala/DMT combos behave..

..if mushrooms are your ally, great..but be aware that harmalas in conjunction don't have a long historical precedent that we know of like ayahuasca..i'm not suggesting fearing this combination, i just believe that for me mushrooms (cubensis in particular) and DMT do not lead to the same places..i've chosen the latter path...