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Dream2Awaken
#1 Posted : 11/14/2011 8:56:59 AM

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Lets begin with a little back story. All my life I have felt haunted. I haven't slept on a bed for over a decade now because the nightmares I would get about this, let's just say ghost, had become a lot to handle, and stopped once I began sleeping on the ground (no clue why). Now when I was first starting DMT it seemed as if it had bridged the gap between myself and whatever this was. Things began happening not only daily but hourly. We had a room in my apartment where the incidents would happen the most, and often Dreamed in there because it seemed to fuel our trips, and we could in a sense go deeper. On one occasion my friend SWIM had told us this entity not only spoke to him, but asked for our help. SWIM - "It told me it was scared and horrified. It said it was being hunted by some other entity, and that it feared the other was closing in. It asked that we get "the nine" together to help it out, and asked that we please hurry." Now since then NOTHING else has happened. Whatever it was it seems to be gone now. When my friend first told me about this several of our friends wanted to attempt to help this thing, but I had played the role of devil's advocate. I considered that maybe whatever this was, it didn't need help, and was trying to trick us in some way to unknowingly aid some evil force. I thought maybe it was the evil spirit trying to get away from the good forces. I still have yet to understand who, or what "The Nine" are. In previous trips when we would come in contact with this entity it gave certain individuals nicknames. We believe these people to be the nine it was referencing, but we'll never know. I just wanted to get the thoughts and opinions of the nexus on this situation. I'm sure you guys could come up with some interesting perspectives about this.
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Global
#2 Posted : 11/14/2011 4:03:14 PM

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I know that 9 is a very special number of buddhism, mysticism, the occult, etc...
Nicola Tesla said, "If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe."
That's about where my memory runs out on the subject, but I remember hearing Joseph Campbell talk in depth about the number 9 in one of his famous mythology lectures.
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"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
 
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#3 Posted : 11/14/2011 6:12:52 PM

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Global wrote:
I know that 9 is a very special number of buddhism, mysticism, the occult, etc...
Nicola Tesla said, "If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe."
That's about where my memory runs out on the subject, but I remember hearing Joseph Campbell talk in depth about the number 9 in one of his famous mythology lectures.


Wow, really? I have always had this strong belief that 3 is my number. I don't know how or why, but I always found this number more than any other throughout my life and so I consider it sacred, in its way; and when ever I encountered it and realized that it's again that number 3, I didn't know what to make of it, but all those moments were somehow special for me... I need to find out more about the symbology (is this a word?) of this number...
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#4 Posted : 11/14/2011 6:34:47 PM

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I found a bunch of information relating to nine here
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein

"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead

"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
 
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#5 Posted : 11/14/2011 7:08:36 PM

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Once during a Buddhist retreat, we performed a ceremony where the gates of hell were broken open and all of the residents were invited to come into our beautiful meditation hall space. We chanted The Heart Sutra with the great wish for the end of suffering for all sentient beings that may be caught up in their personal hell realm.

I don't know how this applies to entities in hyperspace, and as I'm still very new to this, I haven't had personal contact with entities that I can remember.

However, from a Buddhist perspective, all entities (even ones that mean you harm) are worthy of compassion. Now there is also, 'idiot compassion', where say, murderous hoards are knocking at your door and you give them the key to get in. We don't want to get caught up in that kind if mindless compassion. Compassion needs mindfulness and skillful means.

I do wonder if the entities that we may interpret as most malevolent, may be manifestations of the darker parts of our own psyche that we could figure out a way to give more love. If we fight them, they may amplify as we give them that power.

I would be very interested to hear other more experienced Nexian's on this topic of compassion and entities.

This topic also brings to mind a passage from The Lazy Man's Guide to Enlightenment
by Thaddeus Golas:

One of my psychedelic excursions had gotten off to a bad start, and I was sinking into a really satanic bummer. As I looked about me at people turning evil, shrunken, colorless, old, and weird, I suddenly thought, "Well, What did you think it was that needed to be loved?" And just like that, the doors opened and I was in paradise.

No resistance. This does not mean that you must be physically passive or meekly put up with bad vibrations or rip-offs. This means no resistance in your mind. Be free in your head, act out of love, and do what feels good. There is no action that is always right or wrong: the only true variable is the love with which you act. As you open your awareness, life will improve of itself, you won't even have to try. It's a beautiful paradox: the more you open your consciousness, the fewer unpleasant events intrude themselves into your awareness.

Love as much as you can from wherever you are. This line is especially good to recall when you feel frightened, crazy, or have taken some bad dope. Write it on the wall of your room. You may not want to love what you feel or see, you may not be able to convince yourself that you could love it at all. But just decide to love it. Say out loud that you love it, even if you don't believe it. And say, ''I love myself for hating this."

Love it the way it is. The way you see the world depends entirely on your own vibration level. When your vibration changes, the whole world will look different. It's like those days when everyone seems to be smiling at you because you feel happy. The way to raise your vibration level is to feel more love. Start by loving your negative feelings, your own boredom, dullness and despair. It's hard to believe, but changing the content of your mind does nothing to change your vibration level.

Full text of this book available here --
http://www.enlightenment...Ebooks/Enlightenment.pdf
 
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#6 Posted : 11/14/2011 8:45:47 PM

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I've tried giving love to some of the darker, aggressive entities. Sometimes nothing happens, and other times the whole scene can get flipped on its head.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein

"The Mighty One appears, the horizon shines. Atum appears on the smell of his censing, the Sunshine- god has risen in the sky, the Mansion of the pyramidion is in joy and all its inmates are assembled, a voice calls out within the shrine, shouting reverberates around the Netherworld." - Egyptian Book of the Dead

"Man fears time, but time fears the Pyramids" - 9th century Arab proverb
 
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#7 Posted : 11/14/2011 8:53:22 PM

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speakeasy wrote:

This topic also brings to mind a passage from The Lazy Man's Guide to Enlightenment
by Thaddeus Golas:

Full text of this book available here --
http://www.enlightenment...Ebooks/Enlightenment.pdf


I had not heard of this book before this thread and I just read it. WOW! What an outstanding read for as short as it is. I didn't find one thing I didn't agree with in what he wrote. I highly recommend reading this (its only 25 pages).
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#8 Posted : 11/15/2011 1:19:14 AM

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Tek wrote:
speakeasy wrote:

This topic also brings to mind a passage from The Lazy Man's Guide to Enlightenment
by Thaddeus Golas:

Full text of this book available here --
http://www.enlightenment...Ebooks/Enlightenment.pdf


I had not heard of this book before this thread and I just read it. WOW! What an outstanding read for as short as it is. I didn't find one thing I didn't agree with in what he wrote. I highly recommend reading this (its only 25 pages).


Yes, I think it's a pretty unique little book. A guide for all sorts of trips.
 
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#9 Posted : 11/15/2011 3:34:03 AM

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All these posts are pretty interesting. Thank you all for the replies. Really liked the links!
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#10 Posted : 4/23/2012 12:25:19 AM

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speakeasy wrote:
Once during a Buddhist retreat, we performed a ceremony where the gates of hell were broken open and all of the residents were invited to come into our beautiful meditation hall space. We chanted The Heart Sutra with the great wish for the end of suffering for all sentient beings that may be caught up in their personal hell realm.

I don't know how this applies to entities in hyperspace, and as I'm still very new to this, I haven't had personal contact with entities that I can remember.

However, from a Buddhist perspective, all entities (even ones that mean you harm) are worthy of compassion. Now there is also, 'idiot compassion', where say, murderous hoards are knocking at your door and you give them the key to get in. We don't want to get caught up in that kind if mindless compassion. Compassion needs mindfulness and skillful means.

I do wonder if the entities that we may interpret as most malevolent, may be manifestations of the darker parts of our own psyche that we could figure out a way to give more love. If we fight them, they may amplify as we give them that power.

I would be very interested to hear other more experienced Nexian's on this topic of compassion and entities.

This topic also brings to mind a passage from The Lazy Man's Guide to Enlightenment
by Thaddeus Golas:

One of my psychedelic excursions had gotten off to a bad start, and I was sinking into a really satanic bummer. As I looked about me at people turning evil, shrunken, colorless, old, and weird, I suddenly thought, "Well, What did you think it was that needed to be loved?" And just like that, the doors opened and I was in paradise.

No resistance. This does not mean that you must be physically passive or meekly put up with bad vibrations or rip-offs. This means no resistance in your mind. Be free in your head, act out of love, and do what feels good. There is no action that is always right or wrong: the only true variable is the love with which you act. As you open your awareness, life will improve of itself, you won't even have to try. It's a beautiful paradox: the more you open your consciousness, the fewer unpleasant events intrude themselves into your awareness.

Love as much as you can from wherever you are. This line is especially good to recall when you feel frightened, crazy, or have taken some bad dope. Write it on the wall of your room. You may not want to love what you feel or see, you may not be able to convince yourself that you could love it at all. But just decide to love it. Say out loud that you love it, even if you don't believe it. And say, ''I love myself for hating this."

Love it the way it is. The way you see the world depends entirely on your own vibration level. When your vibration changes, the whole world will look different. It's like those days when everyone seems to be smiling at you because you feel happy. The way to raise your vibration level is to feel more love. Start by loving your negative feelings, your own boredom, dullness and despair. It's hard to believe, but changing the content of your mind does nothing to change your vibration level.

Full text of this book available here --
http://www.enlightenment...Ebooks/Enlightenment.pdf

thanks for this. the part about loving everything is the most important thing.
we have to love everything in order to ``understand``.
we have to love our fears, our weakness. it might sounds strange but its like that. You know when you walk in a bus or metro and you fear that some people look at you in a funny way, well we have to love this. or when we are followed on the street and for no reason we feel uncomfortable and start thinking about evey step we make, we must love them and we must love our quite ridicuoulous reactions. We have to love every thing in our lives. but most importantly I feel that we must love our fear. one we love our fear we realize that actually the fear didnt really exist. at least I realise that when, in pain because I have some colon problems, that when I start loving the pain as msuh as I can, the pain is gone in minutes. when I try to fight the pain and make the pain less hard for me, I can suffer for up to a whole hours, thats how bad love can alter my perceptions...
We have to love our fears and love it just like we love pie.
love is in my opinion the conscience will. the global conscience in my opinion is only aiming for love.
I believe that we are just one consciecne. and that why the conscience exist is to love. love is the ultimate goal. thats what all the living things on our planet are aiming for.

anyways
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