Some days ago, i had a interesting conversation with a couple of guys around here.



One reported, that he had a Near Death Experience, due to a unexpected happening.
It was an accident; the person woke up later in the hospital and luckily survived. The guy reported,
that he had what he would label a NDE, and that tt was comparable to a DMT Trip, just without the present fear that he knew during his previous experiences on DMT. That seemed to be difference of no unsignificant nature for him, if i understood him right.




The question that came up for me, was:

Might that fear, that one can feel present during travels to hyperspace, might occur to a existing fear before the trip, the anxiety of the pre-sudden rush of a highspeed hyperspace jump, that so many report from,
a part of the set,
that might be carried by the person into the whole experience and there engraving the trip?


Might the peaceful calmness, the tranquility of the NDE, as reported from the person, the absence of fear during the experience,
might be due to the absence of fear in the set,
because a spontanious happening accident is in this case not expected by the subject, thus fear is not a part of the psychologic mindset that person has in that moment? (of course there are scenarios where fear might still be a part of a set when a spontanious accident can happen, but im thinking of a peaceful, nothing bad expecting mindset)

What might be the difference, or what makes the difference of fear-involved dmt hyperspace jumps, and peaceful and calm seeming Near Death Experiences?
Any more examples or reports that you guys know of, that give an idea to the topic?


I ask this question, because it might help me to understand the difference or similarity about a NDE and a DMT Trip,
to get closer and try to understand the meaning of DMT in our bodies and what function it might deliever for us, thus what reason it has for our whole existence.




Interested about your views, comparisons, heard of reports and even experiences.

best regards,
pandelis

I wouldn't be so fast as to generalize the fear response in DMT experiences and NDE's, just because it could easily go the exact opposite of the way you outlined. On DMT, I very rarely experience a rational kind of fear (where I'm consciously afraid) because I know everything will just resort back to normal in no time (or eventually at the worst). The most fear I get with DMT is usually a fight or flight kind of response where my body may get amp'd up in a fear response, but my mind is reassuring me that everything's fine. Now I've never had an actual NDE so I have to use others as examples, but there are many cases of people who have NDEs who are scared out of their minds because they think that "this is it" and it's over. But of course both examples could be completely flipped so that the person on DMT thinks they're dying and it's over and the guy having the NDE is calm, but the point is that it can really go either way with each one. It may be useful to explore the different reasons for fear occurring or not occurring with either one, but I would be very reluctant to start generalizing about how one compares to the other.

you are absolutely right global,
and it shows one more time, as mentioned in another place, too,
how complex the whole theme and experience is, how many variables it has, and how difficult it is to relate them between each other. it even seems sometimes, that in some cases these relations just occur spontanious, and in other cases not at all.
surely, its as complex as our human mind itself.
so generalizing will work here as good as generalizing the human mind itself.

SWIM never witnessed fear in DMT journeys neither, but can imagine the symtomps that you describe,
and is trying to at least move around one pieces of puzzle in this gigantic picture.

Still, any idea that comes up with the experienced mentioned above, and its potential relations to the human mind, dmt induced 'hallucinations', and the contact with a 'higher level of conciousness' as eg. in NDEs, is of course highly appreciated, but will for sure not give an answer in a general sense, as you outlined well.

thanks for adding your view!