When I first did dmt I couldn't enjoy weed for about a month after. I felt like the spice had opened up so many new pathways through my mind, literally mind expanding, and when I would smoke the greens I felt like it was closing my mind up Which was actually uncomfortable feeling.
I used to love my buds, but for that month (and still a little bit now) I just feel like it contracts/fogs/impairs my mind, which I never thought about before
Alcohol is just a no-go obviously... and the love from mdma can't even compare to the love of the universe when your ego dies. IMO.

Has anybody else ever felt this way after toking da spice?
I looked for another thread but I didn't see one, so sorry if this has been done before.

yes, i quite drinking, smoking cigarettes and weed for a long time after my first DMT experience,

Sounds like its just time to take a break from marijuana, and dmt helped you realize this.. I love taking breaks from it. it lowers tolerance and when i come back to it again its like a whole other entheogen in itself that can be very psychedelic.. many times dmt has helped me realize when i need to take breaks from or change habits in my life

DMT, and especially aya, have definitely helped people loose their urges for other drugs- especially things like opiates, alcohol, and cigarettes from what i see..but if someone was addicted to marijuana, needed to just take a break and clear their head, had an unhealthy relationship with it, or some other bad habit, then i can definitely see it helping there to. IMO everyones relationship with weed is pretty different and the degrees to which it affects people in certain ways varies greatly..Personally i usually only use marijuana every few days or so and often take longer breaks, although sometimes i'll use it everyday for a while. i think its psychedelic affects are really under emphasized by most people and many just abuse it (not saying you are, i'm just speaking in general)

That said, they do mix together well sometimes..I only mix changa with cannabis in low doses for the most part nowadays, and pretty infrequently.. however i sometimes like smoking it during the comedown...and with ayahuasca or pharma it can be a lovely addition to the experience and help blossom positive dimensions in my mind while also helping with any nausea ime..most trips i leave it out but it does have its benefits if used wisely when the time is right for some people

my alcohol intake is reduced by 75% after starting spice, gives me a headache while drinking it, so now I can only drink one bottle of wine a night. ( he he, just joking )

Ayahuasca, shrooms, peyote and DMT have dramatically increased my aversion against alcohol.

I've tried smoking DMT twice now while under the influence of cannabis. The first time actually freaked me out quite a bit. It was only my second time trying spice, and after the spice kicked in, I experienced pretty severe involuntary shaking throughout my body. My body felt like it was reacting the same way it would have to taking a dip in ice cold water. I don't know if it was the cannabis, or if I possibly had unsmoked DMT left in my copper filter in addition to the dose I loaded (effectively taking twice the dose I meant to). But it made me nervous about trying DMT again to be honest. The second time, the cannabis seemed to keep me tethered to the ground, and I had a greatly diminished spice experience. I can see it being useful on a comedown, but at least for now, I plan on being sober before I voyage into hyperspace.

As far as aversion to other drugs because of DMT, I had quite a large supply of methylone which I had been borderline binging on from time to time. Since my first spice adventure, my baggy of methylone has stayed in the deepest corner of my stash waiting for a special time to be broken out again. DMT showed me the that I was using the methylone as an escape from reality, and essentially wasting it's valuable properties as an empathogen, best taken with close friends.

I was never much of an alcohol drinker, but I don't have the same desire. I like MJ, but I know it is somewhat bad for me, and have reduced consumption a little. I don't get too stoned with spice, but some isn't bad.

And no one else mentioned it so I will, even though the thread is about "others drugs" DMT makes me want to not do DMT. Sometimes, but curiosity keeps me going back.

universecannon, I think your right. It just made me realize I was using it too much, which in retrospect is true. I probably had a weeks worth of sobriety in the last year... and I agree with you on the psychedelic entheogen description <3 That's how it started, then it gradually became an all day thing.

Oneiros, that's true too. I think being high can make the experience more uncomfortable, especially if it's freebase. Maybe not with changa. I think it makes the experience more paranoid, foggy and overwhelming IME. I have had incredible breakthroughs when I was 'not-too-high' though, they were pretty awesome.

Alcohol just seems so poisoning when there are all these other much more wonderful things to do! If I'm going to be nauseous anyway I would way rather be tripping than drunk.

I stopped smoking weed because I wanted my DMT experiences to be clean.

I then stopped DMT because it gave me some work to do.

I then started drinking because work was hard.

I then smoked DMT again to light the dark the drink left me in.

I now exercise hardcore and only really use substances socially

Everything changes everything if you run into it hard enough.
DMT hits most things pretty damn hard

Well put soulfood

Yes...

After I start working with DMT I quit drinking alcohol, popping MDMA, Smoking weed, and eating junk food.

Then I started using a lot of DMT until it kicked my ass down to submission a couple times.

Now I only vape DMT whenever I get the call. And I'm beginning to work with Pharma with great success.

This is a great thread. I'm just on the threshold of beginning to work with DMT, but what I will say is that just plain AGE has given me a lot more wisdom about what I consume, and when, and why, and in what dose. I barely drink anymore and have realized that for me drinking was often just about social pressure ("let's go out for beers!" ). Not a fan of the effect of alcohol either personally or at a societal level. Smoking weed, same thing. The effects have actually changed for me over time, and gotten more of a paranoid edge at least in the first 10 minutes of the high. A wave of paranoia often sweeps over me for about 8 minutes at first. Not fun. Makes it much more difficult for me to smoke at concerts or anywhere in public. Whereas in my teens and twenties I could totally handle the world, high as a kite.

Then again, I walked away from entheogens and empathogens for about 15 years, and am now back to them (my how the scene has changes with the internet and teks!). I'm ready to take good clean MDMA a few times a year for the rest of my life (preferably at least once a year in a scene like Burning Man where everyone else is too). And mushrooms fresh from my local patches every late October. And it's time to take the plunge into DMT in one form or another after reading about it for years, beginning with The Yage Letters and One River.

Yeah, DMT and my girlfriend really helped me stop smoking weed. Kind of like you, I didn't really see too much of a problem with it until I really started doing DMT and experiencing that dimension of openness with my mind and emotions. My girlfriend also helped me because I never really had the dimension of emotion before (love), and I realized that weed wasn't really working for me. It took a while, from 2 day breaks, to 3 day breaks, to week breaks, to now, every couple weeks or so I might smoke a litttle bit, but I am finding I enjoy it less and less these days.

As universecannon mentioned, I too believe it's psychedelic effects can be underemphasized or even just unnoticed by habitual users. I also have a feeling of being faaar more sensitive to it's psychedelic effects than I used to be, but I tend to get what I like to sometimes call 'nonsense anxiety' about really nothing when I smoke now. Hyperanalytical thoughts that really go nowhere I feel.

It's hard to say whether it was DMT or just a mix of all the entheogens, but definitely I didn't drink for months to a year or so, and now I do drink occasionally but in moderate amounts.

SWIM told me.

My Mary Jane useage was still heavy the couple of days after my first spice trip. I found that it helped me rememebr and bask in the glow of the first experience. It the went down, I don't have the urge to smoke as much now. I use to smoke every day, spice opened my eyes to the world. I've started yoga, eating better and moving my life forward. I plan to taste spice agian this weekend after trying my first extraction. I am looking forward to travelling and discovering more.

I can see how it can help you with a bad relationship with another drug.

Oh and I stopped eating meat as well!

SWIM sends their love.

Have a good journey with your spice!
Congrats on the extraction

Yes. My cannabis consumption has always been pretty heavy, maybe a bit of an issue, but has dropped significantly since I started using Spice, I took two weeks off and had no real cravings to do it which was a new thing for me, usually quitting turns me into a moody bastard for a few days, and all I can think about is the next spliff/ bowl, but now I can take it or leave it which is really empowering. I just don't feel as inclined to smoke it all the time any more. More energy, better mood, less cravings.

I find am more inclined now to listen to what my body / mind / spirit wants rather than just take what ever was on offer like before.

I have also cut a lot of meat out of my diet and feel great for it - meat is no longer the focal point of the plate which is a really new thing for me, and to be honest I am loving it.

Lots of positive changes recently with a big helpful shove from Spice

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After my first ayahuasca experience I considered throwing away all my other psychedelics (acid + various research chemicals) since I felt I aquired what I originally searched for in psychedelics with DMT. I ended up not doing this though, as different chemicals have different effects. I haven't touched alcohol, however, since first trying psychedelics, and I'm not enjoying cannabis that much anymore. I guess you could say I value sober moments more now than before.

Of course there are those party situations where everyone drinks, and things can get a little dull being sober. I usually avoid these gatherings, but as a good substitute for alcohol, I would recommend 2C-B (or "nexus" in layman's terms). Light and giggly psychedelic with a warm feel to it. Works very well in groups (i.e. not introvert like LSD).

I noticed that weed was bringing me down rather than getting me high nearly a decade ago. It had already been a mixed bag for a few years by then.

My practice of internal arts, meditation, dreaming, and entheogens had gotten me to the point where my natural state was already higher than where weed took me.

Since then, I quit maybe 4 or 5 times. 6 months, 7 months, 9 months, 1 year, 2 years and now I have no intention of smoking anymore.

I don't regret my years of being a bonghits for breakfast stoner. At least the first half of my 2 solid decades of wake and bake seem to have been quite useful to me... kept me out of trouble, and neutered the restlessness and testosterone that might have ended me up a broken man.

There is just a point when you outgrow it.

There is another thread where we kind of went through this weed issue already, but I find that the shivite model where ganja was for initiates and young acolytes mostly, matches my experience pretty well.

As for other drugs, and spice's effect on them... spice, simply put, made other drugs seem boring and passé.

The usefulness of various substances is clear, and the best of them still have a place in SWIM's medicine pouch. Yet, none of them can hold a candle to spice.

Still, SWIM finds that using some other psychedelics (and dissos) as a launch pad for spice is often ideal. Throwing some shrooms into an ayahuasca session is a natural. Small amounts of other entheogens as admixture flavor is also nice if they can jibe with RIMAs.

In fact, the uses of all manner of herbs, fungi, algae, veggies, fruit and more have become brilliantly obvious at this point. Mixing up a tea that does exactly what I want it to do is a breeze.

Reminds me. I have a sugandi, silene capensis, honey and valerian tea on the stove right now that is calling my name... mmmmmmm.

I find the after math of a DMT trip puts me in a state of euphoria for about an hour after my trip. If definitely helps me not to smoke for that time - or do other drugs. But once I'm back to base, my use of other drugs continues on it's normal path. I do avoid alcohol though. But I find this is mostly true when I'm on any other drug.