Here is my point and my question:

42 year old who has used massive amounts of LSD & mushrooms in the past, mostly around dead shows. (and I tend to enjoy growing the shrooms these days.)

Heard all the hype about DMT, WICKED visuals, breaking though, etc.

Research, research, research. Got supplies, good root bark and straight to base technique. Faild first, 2nd time got it ok. 3rd time nice yellow/white crystal.

Method of delivery has been a vaporizer ‘The extreme G’ to be exact. It gets me a good amount of vapor but not as much as a freebase pipe I don’t think. I do 3 good draws and hold.

Most times, when I smoke it I get varying levels of high, it defiantly takes me ‘out of my body’ so to speak. But- compared to the really intense LSD trips I’ve had, the visuals are not that intense. I mean, not even as nice as mushrooms sometimes. I don’t get any of the really intense geometric patterns. Black mostly with an annoying colored pattern that feels like I am in a room.

And mentally, it feels like many times there is lots of just buzzing. Like something is just unpleasant, not at all exploratory or mentally interesting. Like its blocked. Just an annoying buzz that puts me out, but not in an exciting fun place really.

Many times its fun- and VERY relaxing after a quick trip. But the trip itself- eh- not so spiritual as a mushroom or LSD experience. And I’ve NEVER had visuals that touch what I’ve had on 3-4 hits of LSD. Not even close.

Am I doing it wrong? Is there something I’m missing? Too much LSD in the past? I wouldn’t think that would not matter, I was always smart with what I did.

Any ideas?

The vaporizer must be bunk or something. That's really the only thing I can think of. You aren't getting enough in quickly enough. A true breakthrough shatters everything you ever thought you knew and goes 1000x beyond anything LSD could do.

That, or you need to experiment with synergies. Try LSDMT. Try drinking ayahuasca on top of LSDMT. These days, I never travel without my allies.

Welcome to the DMT-Nexus. I hope you can figure out why DMT "sucks" for you ;]

Also feel free to try some of the methods I describe in the diagram link below..

I'm guessing its your electric vaporizer, try sandwiching 30-40mg in between some herbs and smoking it the old fashioned way. I'd bet that will work out a lot better for ya.

DMT always been a pleasure to me regardless of dosage. IF you don't like it, just don't use.

I personally LIKE it.

If you need 3 draws to get a dose with a vaporizer, then either your vaporizer isn't effective for DMT or your technique is off.

do mushrooms do much anymore for you?
what kind of dose do you need for them?

psilocin is just 4HO-DMT, it is in essence orally active DMT

i find the effects of DMT to be very similar to mushrooms
just shorter lived

if the background of the CEV seems black you didnt get enough but no 2 people experience things the same

as for me

a small weak dose will have a dark or dull color formation - or a "just woke up" feeling with no visuals

a good dose will seem more like an ocean of bright colors when you close your eyes

a large dose makes your OEVs look like crystal glass and CEVs are of another world (personal favorite)

a displeasurable high dose will cause the world of your CEVs to manifest itself into your OEVs

keep in mind that dispite what ANYONE says dosing is completely personal i have some friends that can get hit so hard from 20mg that when they come out they cant form words properly and others that can cook 40-50mg and still not hit the turbos

as for mushrooms i can chew up 3g dried and thats identicle to a 45mg hit for me - i dont quite use the most efficient means at the moment i seem to side with the mint leaves in a pipe strategy but at any rate if i was given a dose of mushrooms or dmt i would be hard pressed telling the difference between the two

Great ^ Discription i can relate to all.

Idk Maybe you did not get the right amount, or maybe you were not in the right setting, or it is also possible that you are not ready and they did not want you in yet.

I read the part were you said that the visuals suck and was nothing compared to a intense LSD trip, i am sorry but this is no Grateful dead show, and its not always about the visuals, its is about getting to your internal self, please don't take any of this^ offensive just giving you my thoughts, good luck to you if you decide to try again, but if not don't worry about it, than its not your thing lots of people dont smoke spice, its all about your preference.

If you're taking 3 draws, it's also possible that you're burning it a bit on the third one which can ruin an experience. I also think that the more you do it, the more visual it can tend to get (don't take this as an absolute by any means), but it's like the more you do it, the more you renetwork your brain's circuitry and the further it will allow you to take it. Smoking DMT can be a very tricky endeavor regardless of just how potent it's supposed to be. You can have the purest DMT in the world, and if you don't have a good smoking method/utensil, then you may barely get anything at all. Please don't get too discouraged. Just try, try, try again and you'll see the overt beauty it has to offer eventually. You'd be robbing yourself of some of the most priceless experiences if you don't pursue it beyond what it's already shown you.

Here's a little trick to taking in the same amount or more DMT in less tokes. Often times the harshness, even with great vaporizers can make it difficult to inhale the vapor for too long so your hits aren't always optimal. The thing is that if you can manage to hold it in for like 3 seconds, your lungs will stop fighting with you, settle down and without exhaling you can clear whatever's left without even feeling it. So in other words, you should fill more than you think you can normally handle, and midway through, stop, hold the hit till your lungs settle a bit and then without exhaling clear the rest. I find it beneficial to take that intermediate pause so that I don't bite off more than I can chew and cough up the whole hit cause that's just the biggest waste. When I found that technique here on the nexus, it forever changed how easily I could attain potent experiences. I also used to take 3 hits (or more) with my GVG, but once I got that technique down, I could get much further in one hit than with 3. Everything can start changing and generating holographic objects in the room before I'm even close to exhaling my first hit. Usually I'll take 2, but if I take that third one now, I usually notice that the experience may have any number of qualities that suggest burnt DMT.

I would recommend recrystallising your dmt, it may be dirty and you aren't getting the proper weight in dmt, just a thought.

Just load up a bong and hit it..forget that vaporizer..sounds like it is not good for DMT. DMT will take you beyond anything you ever could have imagined if you take a sufficient dose. That "buzzing" feeling is only the beginning..you are not reaching escape velocity..

For a possibly more insightful, longer experience that you can work with and navigate..take ayahuasca.

Just load up a bong and hit it..forget that vaporizer..sounds like it is not good for DMT. DMT will take you beyond anything you ever could have imagined if you take a sufficient dose. That "buzzing" feeling is only the beginning..you are not reaching escape velocity..

For a possibly more insightful, longer experience that you can work with and navigate..take ayahuasca.

Just load up a bong and hit it..forget that vaporizer..sounds like it is not good for DMT. DMT will take you beyond anything you ever could have imagined if you take a sufficient dose. That "buzzing" feeling is only the beginning..you are not reaching escape velocity..

For a possibly more insightful, longer experience that you can work with and navigate..take ayahuasca.

Thank you all for the advice.
Sounds like a glass vapor genie is needed in my future if I want to do this right.
Any suggestions on the best place to look for one?
I can see that I am not able to get a concentrated enough hit.
Seems like that is the trick right?

Also curious about burning, I'm using a vaporizer, so its certainly not getting direct flame, but the air temp is high, so maybe vapeing at too high a temp? is there any threads on what a burnt dmt trip is like? it does not taste burnt per say.

I've also noticed that for me anyway, alcohol and dmt do not mix AT ALL. I mean, even if i have a beer or 2 in the evening than have a few hits, I get a very un-fun experience, even at the very low dosages I have probably been getting. Anyone else experienced that?

I smoke out of a bong or bubbler always and it works great with just one hit..sandwich it beween a layer of peppermint or mullein etc and just hit it hard and hold it...or make some changa..both work well. The idea that you NEED a vaporizer is a myth..you CAN use one..you dont need to though.

I have stuck the flame right onto the DMT before and hit it hard and had some of the deepest experiences I can imagine. I highly doubt you are burning the DMT..especially with a vaporizer. Most vaporizers I think dont work well for DMT and alot of the DMT does not get vaped fast enough. I have never had a vaporizer work well for DMT for me personally..not even close to what a solid hit of changa from a bong or bubbler does to me.

I find that symptoms of burnt experiences include that hyper-aggressive fast-forward mode, dark mangled light as well as a host of other qualities that are escaping my mind for the moment.

Also fractal, you don't use a GVG?

no I dont use a GVG. Never felt the need to use one. I can easily get as far gone as I would ever want to be with the method I have already..I have also never ever seen someone not be able to breakthrough with the same method when they come here to smoke.

Yes effects of DMT become very unpleasant if I smoke it drunk. Just scattered colors and an annoying buzz feeling.

But how is your physical health? How is your diet. You have any stress or anxiety?
I've had months where I can't break through and DMT becomes uncomfortable and no fun. And that's always when my life
is stressful and I have anxiety or feel very tired. Then I have to give DMT a rest and get myself together to be able to
smoke DMT with good effects.

My state of mind and health affects the trip dramatically.

And DMT is definitely not for everyone. Just like everything else. We're all different. I know a guy that ends up naked on the street if he smokes weed So he doesn't hehehe

If you're having trouble with pure DMT, make some changa.

It is inevitably easier to use, and you get more bang for your buck if you use some MAOI containing admixture plants like Caapi leaves or even passionflower. Qualitatively, 1:1 changa can be stronger than the same amount of pure DMT. Even 1:2 can seem stronger.

With changa, there is no fuss or difficult technique to master.