I have just put ten grams of olioquoi seeds (about 400) in a blender with some water, and blended it. Its turned a very strange colour. I wish to share this with someone - neither of us have tried LSA/LSH before. This is my plan...

Aqcuire some peppermint oil (how much oil?) , put a few drops into the blended liquid, and take a few swigs.... and lay in the sun, maybe with a beer.

Will this work? I guess we will need to drink half the entire mixture each (around 200 seeds each), but would building it up slowly be advisable?

I have some HBWR for backup (which I also havent tried before)... could these be mixed together?

Could this be mixed with a small amount of alcohol? (We also dont know eachother that well, so a social lubricant would be just lovely.)

Any advise here would be appreciated like the desert appreciates the rain.

apparently a single dose is approx 20 seeds...

The freshness of the seeds is vital. Fresh seeds don´t need any mint or whatever added to them. I don´t remember the acurate dose needed, but i know it´s way below 200. I think 200 could even be dangerous. I also wouldn´t mix it with HBWR. I´ve never heard of a single positive hawaian woodrose tripreport. Most people just get cramps and aching in the belly from it.

200 seeds?

I think minxx told me she had decent effects from like 10 seeds..

I would highly suggest against taking 200 seeds..LSA can kill you if you take to much and even it is a vasoconstrictor..the vasoconstriction from the one time I had a full blown LSA trip was not pleasant for the first hour at all..I cant imagine taking like 5 times the suggested dose...

Now I haven't done a lot of work with ololiuqui so take this for the uninformed opinion that it is.

They say the shamans in Mexico could get profound effects off as little as 30 fresh seeds. Internet lore says with dried/old seeds around 200 is required. Every experience I've ever read online about rivea seeds says even with fresh off the vine seeds most people need somewhere between 100-200 seeds for a good experience on par with a dose of morning glory (~150 seeds) or hbwr(~10 seeds).

Your 200 seeds idea sounds on point from my research, but again I have very little personal experience with these seeds (I tried 30 one time and got no effects). As always start with a small dose and see how it treats you slowly increasing dosage till you find the sweet spot.

Be safe now

Haapi journeys

I asked minxx..she said she started with 10 seeds..then took 20..then took 30..she said she then dosed a few times with 30 seeds each time and that it was enough for effects, including visual effects..and they were not fresh seeds.

I always read that traditional doses are like 30 seeds or so as well..

Yeah. I took 36 seeds my first time, and 2 HBWR. I had minimal muscle cramping, so I just streched out a couple of time and no biggie, but I am pretty sure it was due to the HBWR. I can feel them make my muscles tight after only even one.

I would definitely split that dose up. Anywhere between 25-40 seeds will do great.

Yea you dont need many do you! I probably had about 75 and 2 HBWR - too much...uncomfortable. If I ever do them again, I will do far less.