I recommend that the moderators familiarize themselves with a compound called diphenhydramine, it is an over the counter drug used for nausea/sleep-aid/allergies.

It helps in low doses to combat general nausea associated with drugs like hmmm...amanitas.

Here is wikipedia so you guys can inform yourselves and not confuse it with the many research compounds, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphenhydramine.

Thank you and please enjoy your enforcing! =]

Love how the "respect" part has been lost in just hours. Untm banned from chat for mentioning a drug that is in fact OTC.

20:10:47 ‹rOm› miamanitas !!
14/09/2011 20:11:01 ‹obliguhl› i appreciate it rOm
14/09/2011 20:11:04 ‹rOm› I have some pantherinas left
14/09/2011 20:11:15 ‹rOm› I almost want to try with caapi
14/09/2011 20:11:19 ‹obliguhl› are they different ?
14/09/2011 20:11:22 ‹rOm› aya style with chali
14/09/2011 20:11:34 ‹rOm› they seem stronger to me
14/09/2011 20:11:36 ‹dreamer042› pantherinas sound legit
14/09/2011 20:11:56 ‹rOm› the ratios are seen as higher muscimol in most circomstances also
14/09/2011 20:12:19 ‹rOm› but muscaria red are good too just need to start low on each difff batch as ratios varies a bit
14/09/2011 20:12:37 ‹۩› european pantherinas
14/09/2011 20:12:47 ‹obliguhl› ah yes, i wanted to ask rOm about that
14/09/2011 20:12:57 ‹rOm› loads of poeple like red amanitas apparently
14/09/2011 20:13:02 ‹obliguhl› if there are any differences like you describe them
14/09/2011 20:13:06 ‹rOm› panthers aren't very popular
14/09/2011 20:13:17 * Phlux- quit (timeout)
14/09/2011 20:13:18 ‹rOm› I dunno as I never ate a whole once of any
14/09/2011 20:13:21 ‹rOm› ounce ?
14/09/2011 20:13:37 * universecannon joins Hyperspace Chat
14/09/2011 20:13:39 ‹rOm› House would like eating pantherina !
14/09/2011 20:13:47 * Untm joins Hyperspace Chat
14/09/2011 20:13:49 ‹rOm› hehehe with dreamer42, aya style
14/09/2011 20:13:57 ‹۩› give me some french panthers and some LSD I will go to funkytown
14/09/2011 20:14:00 ‹universecannon› como estas hyperpalz
14/09/2011 20:14:09 ‹rOm› hahaha ۩,
14/09/2011 20:14:18 ‹rOm› I'll do one day man be careful !!!
14/09/2011 20:14:23 ‹rOm› I hold both here
14/09/2011 20:14:25 ‹dreamer042› hi uni
14/09/2011 20:14:28 ‹۩›
14/09/2011 20:14:30 ‹rOm› I might just do it
14/09/2011 20:14:39 ‹۩› >(
14/09/2011 20:14:59 ‹universecannon› i hate to rain on your barmitzfugh
14/09/2011 20:14:59 ‹rOm› be wary of the intensity of the wave though
14/09/2011 20:15:05 ‹universecannon› but theres no panthers in france
14/09/2011 20:15:09 ‹rOm› I know you can hand;e it so I'm not worry
14/09/2011 20:15:39 * Untm changes nickname to Hydroxyethane
14/09/2011 20:15:42 ‹universecannon› hey phluxer
14/09/2011 20:15:51 ‹rOm› why that unvierse ?
14/09/2011 20:16:03 ‹rOm› sTHEre are amanita panthers here
14/09/2011 20:16:20 ‹rOm› go to the mycologist circle in france and go ask them
14/09/2011 20:16:36 ‹rOm› are you in france sometimes uni ?
14/09/2011 20:17:03 ‹universecannon› no i was just being a negative nancy
14/09/2011 20:17:07 ‹universecannon› i dont know for sure
14/09/2011 20:17:09 ‹universecannon›
14/09/2011 20:17:20 ‹universecannon› theres still hope
14/09/2011 20:17:43 ‹rOm› there are some.
14/09/2011 20:17:53 ‹rOm› so you go mushrom hunting in france ?
14/09/2011 20:17:56 * tacodude joins Hyperspace Chat
14/09/2011 20:18:01 * Snozz quit (timeout)
14/09/2011 20:18:01 * Snozz quit (timeout)
14/09/2011 20:18:11 ‹rOm› I don't say it's easy like they grow everywhere
14/09/2011 20:18:15 ‹rOm› but there are some
14/09/2011 20:18:40 ‹universecannon› na man i meant panthers
14/09/2011 20:18:55 ‹rOm› haaaaaa
14/09/2011 20:19:04 ‹Hydroxyethane› amanitas and diphenhydramine
14/09/2011 20:19:06 ‹Hydroxyethane› mmmm
14/09/2011 20:19:07 ‹tacodude› mornin all
14/09/2011 20:19:09 ‹universecannon› the mushrooms are a GO
14/09/2011 20:19:10 ‹rOm› I meant amanitas panterinas
14/09/2011 20:19:16 ‹universecannon› aaaaahhh
14/09/2011 20:19:19 ‹rOm› pnathers cap are mushies
14/09/2011 20:19:20 ‹universecannon›
14/09/2011 20:19:29 ‹universecannon› holy crap its hot out here. i need to adjust
14/09/2011 20:19:34 ‹rOm› there are only panters animal in zoo and stuff like that here
14/09/2011 20:19:49 ‹rOm› http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...C3%A8re
14/09/2011 20:19:52 ‹rOm› these ones
14/09/2011 20:19:57 ‹Hydroxyethane› I like 8 grams with 200 mg.
14/09/2011 20:20:31 ‹rOm› http://www.nahuby.sk/atlas_hub...ky_id=8
14/09/2011 20:20:42 ‹rOm› 8 grams amanita with what ?
14/09/2011 20:20:51 ‹rOm› what is diphenhydramine ?
14/09/2011 20:20:53 ‹Hydroxyethane› diphenhydramine
14/09/2011 20:21:01 ‹Hydroxyethane› antihistamine
14/09/2011 20:21:02 ‹rOm› rc ?
14/09/2011 20:21:06 ‹Hydroxyethane› otc
14/09/2011 20:21:14 ‹rOm› otc ?????
14/09/2011 20:21:20 ‹Hydroxyethane› over the counter?
14/09/2011 20:21:21 ‹rOm› what are you taking about
14/09/2011 20:21:23 ‹Hydroxyethane› pharmacy
14/09/2011 20:21:28 ‹rOm› over the counter ?
14/09/2011 20:21:29 ‹Hydroxyethane› benedryl
14/09/2011 20:21:32 ‹rOm› couphing ?
14/09/2011 20:21:34 * Hydroxyethane banished from Hyperspace Chat by ۩
14/09/2011 20:21:35 * Hydroxyethane quit (kicked from Hyperspace Chat by ۩ - reason: no reason)
14/09/2011 20:21:43 ‹rOm› wtf
14/09/2011 20:21:45 * panoramix quit (timeout)
14/09/2011 20:21:52 ‹۩› Every single time he comes in here...
14/09/2011 20:21:58 ‹rOm› who was it ?
14/09/2011 20:22:03 ‹rOm› I thought not again
14/09/2011 20:22:03 ‹۩› It's like he's not capable of learning.
14/09/2011 20:22:08 ‹tacodude› someones trollin
14/09/2011 20:22:12 ‹rOm› untm ?
14/09/2011 20:22:16 ‹rOm› was it
14/09/2011 20:22:30 ‹tacodude› you may be right
14/09/2011 20:22:34 ‹rOm› untm
14/09/2011 20:22:34 ‹۩› 20:15:39 * Untm changes nickname to Hydroxyethane
14/09/2011 20:22:40 ‹rOm› he chaged name
14/09/2011 20:22:41 ‹tacodude› who cares?
14/09/2011 20:22:45 ‹rOm› I care
14/09/2011 20:22:47 ‹tacodude› hell learn


I don't give a flying frak if he changed his name to PCP OD. This is ridiculous.

Not even a SINGLE warning. And banned for either a name change or mentioning an OTC medication. Bizarre, but about what I expected.

And will mods go ahead and continue to chat about non-classics whenever they want with no harsher consequences than me saying "double standard?" Boo.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

It's really alright Pandora I much rather discuss psychoactives with individuals who understand the difference between first-generation antihistamines than the vast universe of stimulants, depressants, psychedelics, and opiates that are available on the grey market.

It's actually more depressing than anything, and a big waste of time trying to do anything about it.

I appreciate the school-yard name calling too, typical from a cynical, egotistical mod such as House.

Funny I ran into this post,

I think the new policy pretty clearly shows that we shouldn't have to familiarize ourselves with any specific compounds as it's not the compounds themselves that determine if they're ok or not to discuss (I guess with the exception of in the chat, which is limited to 'classic psychs' anyway). Does that make sense? Am I missing something?

Excellently put Snozz

I'm pretty sure this has to do with some misconception about what Diphenhydramine is. With all the things going on some are a bit on edge.

I will talk with all who are involved with this.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

Indeed, I thank you for you professionalism and speed in dealing with this matter.

I am just confused here as to why they were taking diphenhydramine..mostly because 2 days ago I was in the chat talking about it becasue I ate some diphenhydramine at the tail end of a mushroom trip. I got stupid and was not thinking when I went to check on some of the last jars I had innoculated in this container..and I was starting to come down from a psilocin peak..I knew there was probly contam in there but my mind was not thinking that way really and when I opened it I breathed in spores and within 20-25 minutes had this rash forming on my stomach all red and burning and people in the chat told me to take benadryl..and I had to talk about it in the chat becasue I was seriousily freaking out looking at my stomach while tripping like that and I needed to know if it was okay to take it with psilocin etc..

I dont really understand why someone would want to take diphenhydramine other than as an antihistamine? I mean some people take it for the anticholinergic effects at high doses but it is toxic and I can imagine how shitty it must be. Even at the dose I took it made me feel sort of weird and sedated and hurt my stomach a bit, and I had a headache later.

Was the context of it's use in chat here as a medicine to counteract negative effects of amanitas or just as a recreational thing?

Edit..nm I see it was used to combat nausea. That makes sense.

I don't know if it's just me but it seems like the kick/ban was made due to name change (Hydroxyethane -> Ethanol -> Discouraged substance) ? Good vibes on the issue.

And the interaction was far from an isolated event...it's easy to say something was an overreaction, but when nerves are frayed due to nitpicking from the back and forths of the past month or so, perhaps there's a contextual understanding to be had.

Nothing happens in a vacuum; as we can only affect our own actions/emotions, it would behoove us all to attempt to interact on this forum with the "noblest of intentions."

I think diphenhydramine may be extremely unpleasant if combined with MAOI's like in ayahuasca.

I have once experimented with a simmilar substance because i expected it to boost psychedelic effects as datura does (both are anticholinergic's that are effective against nausea, so they have some simmilar mechanism of action). Breathing became incredibly difficult.

It would be safest to assume that antihistamines are not to be combined with any psychedelic that is/contains a MAOI (ayahuasca, ibogaine, peyote, etc) or that have bronchoconstrictive effects (LSD, psilocin, etc).

Even not in VERY small amounts.

I can safely say that after talk with those involved all is resolved peacefully.

And as Fractal points out again, it's all about respect and context. And in this case versus the nausea it is clear that both criteria were met easily.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

Personally I see little value with diphenhydramine use from a nausea standpoint with tryptamine and phenylethylamine based psychedelics.

The context it was mentioned had to deal with amanitas, in which I find that diphenhydramine actually smooths out the come-up and eases nausea better than ginger or cannabis. For classical psychedelics I would suggest ginger or cannabis though as they are unmatched nausea reducing drugs.

Like Trav said, I feel that the situation has been resolved.